Draco and Dumbledore/ Molly and Harry-Treated like Fa...

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 160169

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, puduhepa98 at ... wrote:
>
> >a_svirn:
> In other words, while Magpie thinks that Dumbledore put the  lives 
of 
> his staff and his students in jeopardy in order to save Draco, 
you  [Carol]
> think that he was trying to save Snape (with Draco as a side  
> project). I am not sure I agree that either of those gambles was 
> worth  the price, since it was just dumb luck that no students 
died 
> as a result.  
> 
> >On the other hand, if Daco repented and came to Dumbledore, by 
the  
> conditions of the UV Snape *would* have to step in and kill 
> Dumbledore  or die. Could it be that it was *this* situation 
> Dumbledore was trying to  prevent, rather than the one you 
described? 
> Draco's conversion would have  been as fatal for Dumbledore or 
Snape 
> as the direct confrontation.
>  
> Nikkalmati:
>  
> Either way, whether DD was trying to save Snape or Draco or both, 
it is not  
> SS and DM versus the students.  If SS and/or DM are a vital part 
of the  plan 
> to destroy LV, it is the lives of SS and DM (which includes the 
fate  of the 
> entire WW, the students, their families, and the lives of future  
generations) 
> versus the possibility one or more students might die.  This  is 
war after 
> all.  DD took whatever measures he could to protect the  students 
after Katie was 
> attacked (and BTW they seem to have worked), but  he was not 
willing to 
> chance the destruction of the WW at the hands of  LV. Generals 
have to make these 
> decisions.

a_svirn:
I am not into utilitarianism myself. And frankly I will be much 
disappointed if Rowling's "moral message" will eventually boil down 
to "sacrifice some humans for the happiness of other humans" kind of 
statement. And generals, if it comes to that, "make these decisions" 
concerning their soldiers. When they "make these decisions" 
concerning civilians they are running risk to end up in the 
International Criminal Court in the Hague.  

But in any case I thought it was Harry who is vital to part of the 
plan, not Snape or even Dumbledore.