Draco and Dumbledore LONG, beware

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 160204

Alla:
<SNIP>
> > I do not know, Harry indeed seemed awfully eager to try it out
when
> > he was thinking about it, but when it came to action, he does not
do
> > it except the last attempt to defend himself against one of the
> > three most awful curses of WW.
> >
> Carol responds:
>
> According to canon, the only thing that held him back was Hermione.
> Note that he tries out all of the HBP's other spells without knowing
> what they do, for example Levicorpus on Ron and the tongue-tying
spell
> (Langlock) on Filch. He also tried out the toenail-growing spell on
> Crabbe, but he may have known from the name (not given in the book)
> what that one did. I doubt very much that he would have hesitated to
> try out Sectumsempra on McLaggen if the opportunity arose. <SNIP of
everything else>

Alla:

And I also interpret canon - I quoted the fight scene where Harry
despite his urge to try out Sectusemptra does not do it till his
situation looks rather grim to me. Which certainly does not make
trying unknown curse any less stupid, but does not convince me that
Harry indeed would have tried it on anybody else, who would not have
attacked **him** with Unforgivable first.



> Pippin:
> > <SNIP>
> > Draco, black sheep though he might
> > > be, is not yet a murderer. As such, he was still part of
> > > Dumbledore's responsibility and it was as much Dumbledore's
duty
> > > to protect him as it was to protect Harry or Katie or Ron.
> >
> > Alla:
> >
> > No, he is just attempted murderer.
>
> Pippin:
> And Ron is an attempted murder for all the times he has attacked
> Draco, and the Twins are attempted murderers for Montague,
> and Hermione is an attempted murderer for Umbridge, and Ginny
> is an attempted murderer for stealing back the diary when she
> knew it was making her attack people, and Harry is an attempted
> murderer for sectum sempra and most of all Sirius was an attempted
> murderer for the prank. How dare Dumbledore suggest Harry and
> Hermione risk their lives and their futures for the sake of an
> attempted murderer , especially since if Harry were lost
> the whole WW could be lost too! Wasn't Dumbledore putting not
> only his students but the whole WW at risk for the sake of an
> attempted murderer then too?
>
>
> I know there may be extenuating circumstances, but why be
> willing to accept extenuating circumstances for all these other
> people and not Draco?
>
Alla:

Ugh, hate to leave so much of the quote in and respond with few
sentences, but honestly and truly do not know what to cut out.

Sorry, but **no** in all of these cases there are not just
extenuating circumstances, but as far as I remember - absence of the
intent to kill - that is the **huge** difference to me.

Of course we can still uncover that in Sirius case there was intent
to kill, but we do not know that with certainty, so your analogy does
not work for me at all.

If you can prove that Ron or Twins planned to kill Draco - sure, I
will call them attempted murderers as well, so far I am afraid that
title stays solely with Draco, who knowingly planned Dumbledore
assasination attempt.

ETA:

> Carol:
<SNIP>
> If you can explain what he could have done without triggering the UV
> and killing a trusted teacheer (you don't trust him, but DD does and
> he relies heavily on him throughout HBP), I'd be grateful. 
Personally,
> I don't think there was anything else to be done.
><SNIP>

Alla:

I already explained what I think Dumbledore should have done, several 
times in fact, but I will say it one more time. He should not have 
made dealing with UV which Snape took to be his primary concern, IMHO.

Here is one of the more recent posts of mine where you can see what I 
think Dumbledore should have done.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/160162


IMO of course.

Alla