They had to know about PP (WAS Re: Secret Keeper of Grimmaud Place)

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 160540

Charles wrote: 
> > If indeed only the secret keeper can grant access to the place,
then at the very least Hagrid had to know that PP had been the secret
keeper for the Potters. We know that Hagrid knew where they were, and
most likely DD as well. This means that Wormtail had to have been the
one to tell them. This tells me that DD would have known that PP was
the spy, not Sirius, IMO.
> 
> 
> Potioncat responded:
> In PoA Hagrid says that he didn't know Black was the SK. He didn't 
> say, "I thought PP was the SK." he said, "I didn't know Black was."
> So I'm not sure if he never knew the secret himself, or if he never 
> knew the SK.
> 
Carol adds:

I agree that neither Hagrid nor Dumbledore knew who the Secret Keeper
was. While it's possible that Dumbledore had received a note (which he
thought was from Black) and showed it to Hagrid (and Snape?), it's
also possible that the Potters didn't trust Dumbledore (who, after
all, had offered to be the Secret Keeper himself, yet they didn't
choose him) or that PP chose not to inform him and only pretended to
do so for fear of revealing his identity (not thinking of sending a
note) or that there just wasn't time to think about informing anybody
during the week or so that he was Secret Keeper. (He'd have been more
concerned about staying safe and under cover until the chance came to
inform Voldemort.)

Potioncat:
> Now, the only reason Harry knows that DD is the secret keeper for 
> headquarters is because Moody says, "Here's a note from DD." He
could have said, here's a note from the secret keeper and it would
have worked. I suspect he could have said, here's a note from Mickey
Mouse and it would have worked. I do think the SK has to has a
specific person in mind for the note or it won't work. I don't think
the reader has to know who the SK was.
>
Carol responds:
I don't think so. Mad-Eye made sure that the note with the secret
written on it was destroyed as soon as Harry read it. Apparently,
anyone who picked it up and read it would be able to see 12 GP even if
they didn't know what the OoP was. And if a Death Eater or one of
their allies happened to see it, or even an MoM employee who was
looking for Sirius Black, there would be trouble.

I don't think, however, that Dumbledore knew about the Godric's Hollow
hideout from a note. I think that he had known about it before the
secret was placed inside PP, then magically "forgot" it. When he awoke
knowing the secret, he knew that the spell had been broken and that
the Potters had been betrayed and were probably dead. I think that
Snape must have shown him his faded Dark Mark, which meant that Harry
had somehow defeated Voldemort and must be alive.

I realize that I'm only speculating, but I don't see how he could have
known or guessed that the Potters were dead and Harry needed to be
rescued if he already knew the secret. Something must have happened to
alert.

Carol, imagining both Dumbledore and Snape waking up from nightmares
and Snape running up eight flights of stairs in his grey nightshirt to
 find Dumbledore at work with his mysterious instruments