Views of Hermione

[wynnleaf]

No: HPFGUIDX 160545


> Wynnleaf: 
> > Crabb and Goyle were completely innocent of the crime Hermione was
> > investigating.  Simply being pureblood elitist shouldn't have made
> > them, or Draco, a candidate for attempted murder.  After all, who
> > exactly decided Draco was a good candidate to be a murderer?  A 12
> > year old kid.  Not Dumbledore – and he certainly knew far better 
> than
> > the trio what kind of home situation Draco came from.  
> > 
> > By the way, do recall that in COS, the trio had no idea that any 
> kids
> > were children of death eaters.  All they knew was that Draco was a
> > pureblood elitist, his family likewise, and he spouted off comments
> > about the fate of mudbloods.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Such a **nice** comfortable word, isn't it **elitist**? Change it to 
> pure-blooded racist, which is how I see Draco and picture becomes a 
> little different?

wynnleaf
Racism definition "racism is a form of discrimination based on race,
especially the belief that one race is superior to another."  Whether
you think Draco is a racist or not -- by definition he is not.  I
attempted to use an accurate one.  You prefer an inaccurate one.  Oookay.

Still, since you prefer to believe Draco a racist, let us use a RL
racism situation as an example:

I grew up in a time and place where racism not only abounded, but
there were also racist organizations who did indeed commit murders of
the other racial group as a part of their activities.  I went to
schools where a *large* percentage of the kids were quite racist. 
Many, many of them had far more nasty things to say than Draco, and on
a far more regular basis.  Unbelievably (according to your theory of
who makes a good candidate for a racist murderer), almost none of the
highly racist children in my city became murderers.  I *know* that for
a fact, because there just weren't enough murdered people to account
for any, but a tiny percentage of these racist kids becoming racist
murderers.   

So no, despite your assumptions, a racist kid who makes really nasty
remarks about wishing people of the other race dead is not highly
likely to become a murderer.

> 
> So, yeah I do recall that Trio had no idea about them being DE 
> children, but they knew enough of what Draco wishes in life IMO and 
> that was enough to make them suspicious and rightly so.

wynnleaf,
Well, no, not necessarily rightly so.  See above.  

> Alla:
> 
> Yes, and as it turned out they eventually did know better than all 
> teachers, didn't they? They discovered the Chamber and four books 
> later Draco dear finally signed up for murder.

wynnleaf
Harry eventually figured out how to get into the Chamber, but it
turned out that no one else would have been able to get in because no
one else spoke parceltongue.  However, as regards being "right,"
although they figured out about the Basilisk, Harry discovered once he
got into the Chamber that he'd been oh-so-wrong, and had trusted a
diary that turned out to house the young Tom Riddle (his soul although
Harry didn't know that).  

Basically, in COS we discover that the trio was great at figuring out
puzzles like the basilisk, or how to get into the Chamber, but made
many mistakes in adding up evidence of character and deciding who to
trust and who not, or who is doing wrong and who isn't.  

> 
> Alla:
> 
> Yes, I brought it up, but I did not bring up Snape verbal abuse. The 
> comparison I made was condemning Hermione for the hex regardless of 
> why she did it ( no matter which traitorous actions brought it up, 
> etc) and Snape's actions on the Tower.
> 
> I really do not remember DD!M Snape theorists condemning Snape for 
> committing the murder on the Tower. Nooooo, multitude of the reasons 
> had been brought up and the main one of course Dumbledore made Snape 
> do it.
> 
> That is of course the possibility, but I just find funny that 
> reasons for the murder are being constantly brought up as justifying 
> circumstances, and the reasons for the hex as punishment for traitor 
> are being discarded.
> 
> Now, before you ask me - if Hermione's punishment of traitor would 
> be to kill her, I would be more than willing to not look at the 
> reasons besides it and condemn it, but doing the opposite? When more 
> harmful action is being justified over and over again and the hex to 
> protect DA while not being perfectly executed is not? 
> 
wynnleaf
There's a huge, gigantic difference (among lots of other huge
differences).  I'm amazed you don't mention it.  (am I really amazed??)

Anyway.  Practically all theories that DDM Snape AK'd DD include DD
first commanding and then begging Snape to do it.  So Snape and DD
were working togther on what occurred. DD ordered him to do it. And
further, DD was Snape's leader.  

Let's see how that works with Hermione.  Hm.  "Hermione, please. 
Knock us out so you can take our identies and find out what Draco is
up to!"  No, didn't happen.  "Hermione, please.  Give us those hats so
we can be free."  Nope.  "Hermione, please.  Put a hex on that
contract so we'll all know there's consequence for breaking it."  No
way.  See?  Completely different.  

Now, personally, I tend to doubt that we'll discover in book 7 that
Snape's AK was what actually killed DD.  But I have different reasons
for that and it's beside the point at hand.

wynnleaf