Views of Hermione/Draco/Snape

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No: HPFGUIDX 160553

> > Alla:
> > 
> > Such a **nice** comfortable word, isn't it **elitist**? Change 
it to 
> > pure-blooded racist, which is how I see Draco and picture 
becomes a 
> > little different?
> 
> wynnleaf
> Racism definition "racism is a form of discrimination based on 
race,
> especially the belief that one race is superior to another."  
Whether
> you think Draco is a racist or not -- by definition he is not.  I
> attempted to use an accurate one.  You prefer an inaccurate one.  
Oookay.


Alla:

I prefer the different one, the broader one, the one which United 
Nations uses. Let me quote Renee for that.


> Renee:
> It seems we're not using the same definitions of racism; apparently
> you prefer to restrict it to discrimination, prejudice, etc. based
on
> visible physical differences between groups of humans. I was
thinking
> of the wider definition of racism used by the United Nations:
>
> "any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on
race,
> colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose
or
> effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or
> exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental
> freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other
> field of public life."
>
> According to this definition, the blood prejudice found among the
> followers of Voldemort *is* racism, as it is based on descent.
>

Alla:

Sorry, cannot give you the post number, but I am sure Renee has it 
if needed ( I saved it in a backwards way)

So, no it is not inaccurate definition and as far as I am concerned 
Draco and young Snape fall uinto this one quite nicely.


 
wynnleaf:
<SNIP of RL example>
> So no, despite your assumptions, a racist kid who makes really 
nasty
> remarks about wishing people of the other race dead is not highly
> likely to become a murderer.
><SNIP>

Alla:

Um, Draco did become at least almost murderer, didn't he?
But my assumption that this is enough for others to think so, not 
that he would necessarily become one. And enough to investigate yes.

 
> wynnleaf
> There's a huge, gigantic difference (among lots of other huge
> differences).  I'm amazed you don't mention it.  (am I really 
amazed??)
><SNIP>

Alla:

You are amazed that I see no difference between condemning someone 
for hex without looking at the context and **Not** condemning 
someone for murder and looking at the context of the situation?

Because this is what my comparison is about, nothing else. I am not 
even saying that context should not be brought up, quite the 
opposite.

I think it was Betsy who said that she does not care if Hermione 
drawn Marietta's puppy, raped her boyfriend and did something else. 
I get that it was written with certain exaggeration, but I have to 
take the point as such, no? No matter what Marietta did to deserve 
it, Hermione should not have protected DA with this hex, right?

So, no, sorry I see no huge differences in the Tower then. Murder in 
itself is the most horrific action ( unless done in self-defense in 
my opinion) human being can do.

I do not see Snape being called a stinking murderer whether 
Dumbledore asked him to do so or not. Which is entirely possible ( 
as I said - whether I believe it or not, I keep in mind the theory) 
of course, but should not the action be condemned out of context.

JMO,

Alla