[HPforGrownups] Umbridge as tyrant / Twins leaving Hogwarts/ I don't think Harry will die/Snape and Draco

[Janette]

No: HPFGUIDX 160759

> Magpie:
> Yes, I know what Umbridge's agenda is. I said she's acting as a teacher in
> a
> school.  Snape abuses his power in his class also.  I'd also note that
> when
> Umbridge punishes Harry with her quill she's not headmistress and Harry
> could have objected to that to Dumbledore and chose not to.


montims:
This is Harry's old problem, isn't it - he won't turn to adults for help.
It's understandable with DD in this book, as DD is refusing any contact with
him, but he could have gone to McGonagall, or even Madam Pomfrey for
healing, and she would have passed the word along.  However, we have seen on
other occasions that when he does mention his suspicions and fears to
teachers, they just brush them off as imagination, so my sympathies are with
Harry here...

In this book, in particular, he is going through a very angst-ridden teenage
phase, and feels hard-done by most of the time (justifiably IMO).  He
doesn't even tell Hermione and Ron about the quill till Ron sees the scars.
That does not give Umbridge the right to torture the boy, and the Ministry
should not have imposed such a sadistic person on the school as a teacher
with complete authority over everyone and everything there.


> Magpie:
> Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if plenty of students in the real world
> haven't been punished for "the content of their opinion" when it's
> considered to disrupt class. I have the same objections to that as I do to
> it when Umbridge does it, but of course Harry retains the right to speech
> in
> the world, since he gives an interview to the press.


montims:
and as soon as Umbridge heard about this (a thing she couldn't believe had
happpened, as her prohibitions were intended to prevent Harry's freedom of
speech and movement as much as possible) she banned the reading of the
article.  (The best thing she could have done for Harry, as Hermione said).
Her whole purpose was to prevent free speech to Harry and his supporters,
and to ridicule anything he had ever said, in the eyes of the WW.

Magpie:
> They're running their joke shop like they always wanted and planned, and
> they're making money selling their products--and will probably continue to
> do so after Voldemort's gone.  They didn't join the Order. Sometimes their
> goal helps one side, sometimes the other side.  And I think they just
> think
> U-No-Poo is funny.


montims:
Be fair - they wanted to join, but Molly and the other Order members said
they were too young.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were now Order
members.


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