Who is Faith? WAS: Re: What Came First: Task or Cabinet?

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 157730

> Snow:
> You see Faith can be as wrong as Sirius being the bad guy or Mad 
Eye Moody 
> being good in GOF and yet most of us fell for the trap.
> 
> Magpie:
> Sirius was revealed as the good guy at the end of PoA.  The guy who 
we 
> thought was Mad Eye Moody was revealed to be DE Barty Crouch Jr. at 
the end 
> of GoF.  Draco was revealed to be the would-be murderer of 
Dumbledore at the 
> end of HBP.  Do you have alternate theories for PoA and GoF too?
> 
> Snow:
> There is entrapment in the books, which is why they are so damned 
good but 
> it is, more often than naught, Faith who leads us into the trap.
> 
> I finally learned with OOP, after several attempts of throwing the 
book 
> against the wall and refusing to read further (for several minutes) 
to 
> simply accept that JKR has her answer and I have to be open to it.
> 
> Magpie:
> I don't understand your point.  JKR has her answer and we have to 
be open to 
> it, yet you reject the answers given in HBP.
> 
> Snow:
> You know this thread has made me recall a likewise thread before 
HBP when 
> people were totally debating Dumbledore's possible abusive behavior 
by 
> leaving Harry with the Dursley's. So many were quite sure
> that Dumbledore had actions he could have taken other than leave 
him with 
> the Dursley's and yet no matter how many of us proposed what became 
the 
> eventual outcome that it was Dumbledore's only and best choice, 
Faith 
> intervened in her magical way and convinced so many that Dumbledore 
was 
> cruel to leave Harry with them.
> 
> Magpie:
> Err...not understanding what this has to do with chucking out a 
plotline in 
> a novel and writing a new one and shoving it in its place. <SNIP>

Alla:

Magpie, I am not sure whether when you wrote you don't understand 
about Faith, you meant that you have not read about her or whether 
you read but did not understand.

So, in case you have not read about her, here is the link:

http://www.hpfgu.org.uk/faq/hypotheticalley.html#faith

In the TBAY, as far as I am aware ( and this is from the POV of 
somebody who loved to read TBAY and hopes people will come back to 
it, but never wrote it) the Faith is the personification of the 
authoritarial intent, basically she accepts as given of what is 
written on  the page, period. Again, TBAY theorists who actually used 
Faith in their essays will correct me if I am wrong.

And very often the theories in Theory Bay were checked by Faith on 
whether they can sail or not :)

So, yeah, I like this chick a lot :), even if sometimes she can be 
wrong.

I think you already answered Snow's argument about Faith being wrong 
about Sirius being a bad guy and Moody being the real one. That was 
answered at the end of the book, so the way I understand it now - 
Faith position would be at the end of the book exactly what was 
written there.

I am especially confused about HBP proving that Faith was wrong that 
Dumbledore was cruel leaving Harry with Dursleys. Is there anything 
there to show that Dumbledore was **not** cruel? Wound't the Faith 
position be that yeah, that was Dumbledore only choice, but she would 
ask for more definite stance on that?

And in fact, isn't Faith position now that Dumbledore has regretted 
what Dursleys did to Harry? And where is in HBP that states that 
Dumbledore indeed had no other choice? He mentions blood protection 
in OOP as well, where does he say that absolutely nothing could have 
been done if not to remove Harry but at least for him to interfere?

I am just how on this topic Faith is proven wrong in HBP, not sure 
**at all*, but this is moving from our topic.

So, yeah, that is Faith as I understand her.

Alla.