ESE!Lupin/AnimeMovie/ChapDisc/Lav-Lav/Squib/DADA/Filch/3 on Neville/Lucius

[Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)]

No: HPFGUIDX 157854

sydney wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157487>:

<< Actually, I do think Pippin is wasting her time with ESE Lupin,
because I think there's a reason so few people hold that theory.
Because it's not emotionally satisfying. If it WAS emotionally
satisfying, there would be a lot more people on that bandwagon. >>

Um. Rowling is a very good writer, as proved by the fact that
kazillions of people totally get into the books she's written so far.
But she is also executing a seven-book plot outline that she developed
when she was a very new writer. I cannot accept it as axiomatic that
her plot outline doesn't include any duds. Pippin pointed out that
ESE!Lupin matches an Agatha Christie cliche. How was the young author
to know in advance that something that worked so well for Agatha
Christie (LONG-time bestseller) would be a dud for her?

It comforts me to recall that Rowling said: "It's when people get
really off the wall - it's when people devote hours of their time to
proving that Snape is a vampire that I feel it's time to step in,
because there's really nothing in the canon that supports that."
<http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview2.shtml>,

Randy wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157494>,
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157495>:

<< <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magic_Serpent> >>

<< what is it about Youths losing their parents and getting scars in
battles? >>

But it says that in the Japanese movie, it was the Villain (who killed
the hero's parents and tried to kill the hero as a baby) that got a
Scar on his Forehead.

Kathryn Jones summarized chapter 19 in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157500>:

<< There is a possibility that the school might be closed if they do
not catch the perpetrator soon. >>

There was the same worry in CoS. The school has been around for a
thousand years and it's always been full of dangers, so if there
really was a real chance of the school being closed any time there was
a couple of students injured (or Petrified) by possibly fatal attacks
by an unknown perpetrator (or ONE student killed, in CoS flashback), I
don't think it would still be around after a thousand years. Is this
an example of wizard folk engaging in panickly loose talk or a sign
that the wizard folk became more risk-averse in the twentieth century?

<< During the match, as Harry is attempting to stop McLaggen from
demonstrating how to hit a bludger, Harry is struck and knocked
unconscious. >>

I *LOVE* Luna's commentary: "And Harry Potter's now having an argument
with his Keeper," said Luna serenely, while both Hufflepuffs and
Slytherins below in the crowd cheered and jeered. "I don't think
that'll help him find the Snitch, but maybe it's a clever ruse. ..."

<< Would Harry have recognized other students from Slytherin >>

He already failed to recognize another student from GRYFFINDOR -- for
five years he shared a common room with the obnoxious McLaggen without
ever meeting him until sixth year Quidditch try-outs. I think Harry
being so extremely bad at noticing people is for plot purposes, not
plausibility. 

Neri wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157513>:

<< Considerable page time in HBP is spent on the Ron/Lavender SHIP.
This SHIP doesn't have any significant effect on the rest of the 
plot. >>

It has already been speculated that Harry will have to get help from
people whom he has alienated: Draco Malfoy, Smith of Hufflepuff,
Marietta Edgecombe, and that obnoxious McLaggen -- further speculation
is he will have to get help from those people because they are the
Heirs of Slytherin, Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw and Gryffindor respectively.
Perhaps also Ron will have to get help from Lavender. whom he has
throughly alienated... From Lavender AND Parvati...

Mike Crudele wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157539>:

<< Also notice how Squib is capitalized like it is a proper name.
Which other bigoted or racial slurs have you noticed being afforded
the dignity of being treated as proper names? >>

I've noticed that it's Rowling's style to capitalize words that she
thinks she has invented, like Muggle and Mudblood and Squib but not
wizard or witch or warlock, like Apparate but not broomstick.

Sydney quoted in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157554>:

<< "What does it matter" said Malfoy, "Defence against the Dark Arts--
it's all just a joke, isn't it, an act? Like any of us need protecting
against the Dark Arts--" >>

That always strikes me as *amazingly* stupid of Draco. Does he really
believes that no Death Eater is going to use his/her Dark Arts to
attack another Death Eater?

Aussie Hagrid wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157566>:

<< Not only did Hagrid call Filch "that old git" after Harry's 1st
week, but he told Filch off for lecturing the students in detention
that were going into the forest that night. >>

En route to the famous Forbidden Forest detention. Filch to Harry: "I
suppose you think you'll be enjoying yourself with that oaf?" and
Hagrid to Filch: ""That's why yer late, is it?" said Hagrid, frowning
at Filch. "Bin lecturin' them, eh? 'Snot your place ter do that.
Yeh've done yer bit, I'll take over from here."

<< Hagrid and Filch have had an on-going dislike/distrust for one
another since WAY before book 1. >> 

I don't know whether the issue between them is merely that they
disagree on how students should be treated (Filch: violently. Hagrid:
friendily) or if there's some back story starting in Hagrid's student
days (was Filch already the caretaker then?). I think Hagrid was the
kind of student who would have earned many detentions, and he
physically could have taken a great deal of flogging and so on; Filch
could have gloated over Hagrid's expulsion, been disappointed that
Hagrid was allowed to stay on as gamekeeper, and rubbed it in that
Hagrid's wand had been broken...

AnnR wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157624>:

<< I can't remember the core of Neville's wand and I do not have HBP
with me at the moment. >>

"Cherry and unicorn hair". It sounds very virginal, as someone already
pointed out. But I am not aware of any canon that all the wands that
might suit a particular person are all the same core or all the same
wood. Like, 3 x 8 = 24 and 4 x 6 = 24 but 3 x 9 = 27. so if the 3 x 8
wand suited a person, the 4 x 6 would be more likely to suit them than
the 3 x 9, even tho' both have '3'.

<< Also I would suspect that Alice would have died protecting her
child also as most mothers would, >>

Melissa and Emerson's interview at
http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview.shtml says

JKR: [silence] Can't tell you. But he did offer; you're absolutely
right. Don't you want to ask me why James's death didn't protect Lily
and Harry? There's your answer - you've just answered your own
question - because she could have lived - and chose to die. James was
going to be killed anyway. Do you see what I mean? I'm not saying
James wasn't ready to; he died trying to protect his family, but he
was going to be murdered anyway. He had no - he wasn't given a choice,
so he rushed into it in a kind of animal way. I think there are
distinctions in courage. James was immensely brave. But the caliber of
Lily's bravery was, I think in this instance, higher because she could
have saved herself. Now any mother, any normal mother would have done
what Lily did. So in that sense, her courage too was of an animal
quality but she was given time to choose. James wasn't. It's like an
intruder entering your house, isn't it? You would instinctively rush
them. But if in cold blood you were told, "Get out of the way," you
know, what would you do? I mean, I don't think any mother would stand
aside from their child. But does that answer it? She did very
consciously lay down her life. She had a clear choice. - >>

I really believe that I read somewhere, but I can't find it in Quick
Quotes Quill, that Alice or Frank throwing themselves between Neville
and LV wouldn't have had the effect that Lily did, because LV wouldn't
have given Alice or Frank a choice.

And we *still* don't know what is the big deal about Lily that would
cause LV to give her, only her, that choice.

Just Carol wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157641>:

<< I've always thought that Neville would become the Herbology teacher
when Professor Sprout retires, but I wouldn't mind his becoming a
Healer >>

I would have liked Neville to become a Healer, but if he does, he will
have to do so in some unconventional way, as the conventional way
requires "at least an E at N.E.W.T. level in Potions, Herbology,
Transfiguration, Charms, and Defense Against the Dark Arts" (p656 of
US ed OoP), and Neville is not continuing with Potions and
Transfiguration.

Marion Ros wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/157836>:

<<  If Draco succeeds, then he has blood on his hands, a situation
that Lucius seems to have tried to protect his only son from. >>

I really don't see Lucius as having any moral qualms about murder. I
think, if he tried to shield Draco from blood on his hands, it was
more from fear of Draco being incompetent than from fear of Draco's
soul being torn.

<< wonders if Lucius really knew what he was doing slipping that diary
into Ginny's bag. (snip) What better way to get rid of a thing that
once belonged to a Dark Lord you joined when you were young and
foolish (which you might regret now that you're happily married and a
pillar of society and a *father*) >>

Well, Dobby knew that "There is a plot, Harry Potter. A plot to make
most terrible things happen at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and
Wizardry this year," and I think somewhere JKR said Dobby knew only
what he had overheard Malfoys talking about.