Cabinet FIRST!

[cubfanbudwoman]

No: HPFGUIDX 157881

Mike:
> > What on earth made him think that Voldemort would lend him some 
> > DEs to complete his plan? <snip>
 
Magpie:
> He's quite possibly using DE backup for the necklace plan too--he 
> wasn't in Hogsmeade that day so somebody else was involved.  Maybe 
> the mead as well, perhaps someone else is Imperius-ing Rosemerta.  
> If he's just been given DE help regardless that fits with the way 
> Draco is in charge of the DEs when they get to the school.

Mike:
> > So, how does 'kill Dumbledore' follow 'fix the cabinet' without 
> > the "B" of 'I get DE support'? Likewise, how does 'give the 
> > kid DEs' follow 'assign the kid a suicide mission' without the 
> > interceding idea of 'getting the DEs into Hogwarts'? These are 
> > two interlocking questions. They cannot be answered seperately.
 
Magpie:
> They don't have to be answered separately if we go to the simple 
> answer (conveniently provided for us in canon) that it's all part 
> of fulfilling Voldemort's original order to kill Dumbledore.  A DE 
> can Imperio Rosemerta, Imperio Katie or provide backup at the end. 
> So LV does have motive to assign the DEs without the Cabinets 
> specifically.  Whether Voldemort *knows* about the Cabinet plot as 
> a possibility doesn't matter.  He can know about the possibility, 
> it's just, imo, not Voldemort's big plan that he's forcing Draco 
> to do. If Draco never gets the Cabinet fixed he's got to do 
> something else.



SSSusan:
Hmmm.  Not sure I can quite go along with this, Magpie, if I'm 
understanding what you're suggesting correctly.  Yes, I could see 
that if Voldy truly wanted Draco to succeed in killing DD, and 
actually believed there was a chance he might, then he might have 
granted Draco some DEs to assist with the various attempts.  It 
somehow doesn't *seem* very likely to me, given the way Voldy likes 
to be in charge, but I'll grant that it might have been the case in 
at least the necklace attempt, given your point about Draco not 
being in Hogsmeade that day.

OTOH, I don't think that having an accomplice in one task, such as 
in the necklace scheme, would necessarily be the same thing as Voldy 
allowing Draco to have the degree of control that would allow him to 
call DEs to him whenever he felt the need (which seems to be what 
you're implying when you said "Whether Voldemort *knows* about the 
Cabinet plot as a possibility doesn't matter").  I mean, we're not 
talking about an accomplice or even two; we're talking about a whole 
GROUP of DEs arriving at Hogwarts to attack!  I cannot imagine Voldy 
giving Draco carte blanche to summon DEs to assist him, as *he* 
(Draco) saw the need, in his various attempts to accomplish his 
mission of killing DD.  Draco's a kid still -- and many seem to 
believe Voldy never really expected him to succeed -- so why would 
Voldy have said, "Sure, Draco.  Any time you need a DE backup, just 
give the word, and they'll come/I'll send them"?  I cannot believe 
he'd have that kind of trust in him!  Especially in a plot of which 
he didn't even know the specifics.

Siriusly Snapey Susan