[HPforGrownups] Re: Cabinet FIRST!

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 157886

Mike now:
> Sorry, not an answer to my question. Let's try this with role
> playing. You are Voldemort with your premise, that is, this is
> simply, specifically and ONLY a 'suicide mission' for Draco. You
> summon Draco in and give him the "kill Dumbledore" mission and tell
> him to do it any way he wants, you don't care. Why do you give him
> any DE support, now or ever? You have to stay within your premise
> when you answer, which is that you expect the boy to die in the
> attempt and you *expect* NOTHING else to come of this mission.

[snipping stuff after this--I'm trying to cut down and this seemed enough
to respond to as the jist of it]

Magpie:

Why shouldn't I, if I were Voldemort? It seems perfectly reasonable to me
that if he needs a few DEs they can follow his instructions, just as any
would-be assassin would get. Expecting Draco to fail and making him fail
are two different things (as I believe "my side" has said before) and this
is always presented by people in canon as the former, not the latter. I
don't mean to imply, as I said to Susan below, that Draco's been given a
year-long bunch of slaves he can order about at will, just denying that they
prove Voldemort's got the Cabinets as a priority over Draco's attempted
murder of Dumbledore. I don't think the DEs are a problem that needs to be
solved through this theory. I don't think the author wrote anything
especially illogical or left this stuff out or that I need it to make the
characters behave the way they would really act or to make it make sense.

Susan:
OTOH, I don't think that having an accomplice in one task, such as in the
necklace scheme, would necessarily be the same thing as Voldy allowing Draco
to have the degree of control that would allow him to
call DEs to him whenever he felt the need (which seems to be what you're
implying when you said "Whether Voldemort *knows* about the Cabinet plot as
a possibility doesn't matter").

Magpie:
Sorry, that's not what I meant to be claiming.
I was speaking specifically to the Cabinet First plot, which is trying to
prove that Voldemort's interest in the Cabinet plan is driving things all
year. So I'm arguing against the idea that anything in canon proves that
the Cabinet Plan has to be Voldemort's plan in some significant way
throughout the year, so that if Draco is working on that instead of some
other method it's because he's following Voldemort's schedule, and the whole 
plan for Draco comes out of that for Voldemort.

I didn't mean to imply Draco's got free access to order around whatever DE 
he wants throughout the year for whatever reason. I think he can call for
assistance since he gets at it the end and possibly was getting earlier as 
well for help with other things he tried. But I was speaking about Voldemort 
knowing about the Cabinet plan up front in the beginning (FIRST!), long 
before the night they show up at the castle. That Voldemort must have heard 
about the Cabinet plot and as a result given Draco this mission and that he 
made the Cabinet fixing part of the mission.

-m