[HPforGrownups] Re: Cabinet FIRST! - Hogwarts Attacked!

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 157952

> > > bboyminn:
> > > ...
> > >
> > > So, /if/ they planned to take over Hogwarts, here is
> > > how and why the plan would have gone.
> > >
> > > First, the enter the castle and set the trap for
> > > Dumbledore, meanwhile a few other DE's sneak off and
> > > catch the teachers unaware in their sleep. The
> > > teachers are disarmed and taken to a holding area.
> > > The trap is sprung on Dumbledore and Dumbledore is
> > > killed.
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> >
> > Kemper earlier:
> >
> > Bella seems a more competent DE than those on the tower,
> > and she fled from DD when she saw that he was in the
> > Dept of Mysteries. How is it that a trap be sprung on
> > DD, killing him?
>
>
> bboyminn:
>
> Sorry, I'm not quite sure I follow you. The /sprung trap/
> I am speaking of is the very trap that lured Dumbledore
> in and lead to his death in the existing book.
>

Kemper now:
So what I'm hearing you say is that the DE trap that happened in HBP took
into account an unhealthy, weak Dumbledore.  If that's the case, then I can
understand why DE's who seem less competent than Bella were in the invasion
plan of Hogwarts.



>bboyminn continues:
> So /IF/ that plan had not been discovered as soon as they
> stepped out of the door, and /if/ they had been able to
> move quietly about the castle, then my suggestion for
> taking the plan beyond Dumbledore's death might be valid.

Kemper now:

I never disagreed with an invasion plan that includes the take over
Hogwarts.  It would have been quite the coup.  I do disagree that it would
have happened stealthily even if the DA weren't waiting by the RoR.  I
see/hear the portraits sounding the alarm.


> >Kemper earlier:
> >
> > I imagine that the students would be used. But even
>
> > then, would DD lay down his wand or would he fight? ...
> > ...edited...
> >
>
> bboyminn:
>
> Well, the Dumbledore aspect would have played out pretty
> much as it originally did in my hypothetical scenario,
> so nothing changes there. Dumbledore is lured to the top
> of the tower, he arrives weak and getting weaker, Harry
> is out of it. Draco and/or the DE's kill Dumbledore.
> Snape is not involved. The teacher are captured. The
> students wake to find the castle in control of the DE's.

Kemper now:
Again, what I'm hearing you say is that your hypothetical scenario includes
the DE invasion plan that takes into account a weak Dumbledore who's getting
weaker.... Or, are you saying that the DE invasion plan would have been
successful regardless of Dumbledore's strength or weakness?


> bboyminn continues:
> My point is that the original plan was sufficiently
> thwarted that we can't actually say that capturing
> Hogwarts was not part of it. ...
> ...
> It is a hypothetical alternative plan from the DE's
> perspective. It is how they expected the raid to go,
> but the DA members and the Order messed it up.
>
> ... They may well have intended to
> take Hogwarts if everything else went well.

Kemper now:

Again, I'm agreeing with a DE invasion plan consisting of the capture of
Hogwarts.


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