Harry as a Non-crux - Soul Pieces in Context

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 158035

---  "Ken Hutchinson" <klhutch at ...> wrote:
> 
> Ken:
> 
> This core soul anchored to the Earth by a horcrux idea 
> is the way I have long held horcruxes to work. And then
> one day it struck me that it was totally wrong, Slughorn
> clearly says that part of the soul goes beyond when a 
> horcrux owner is attacked. Presumably it is the part
> inside the wizard (what many of you call the core soul) 
> not the part inside the horcrux that goes on since the 
> horcrux itself was not attacked. 

bboyminn:

Could you provide a quote in which Slughorn says that? 
Because, while there is a certain ambiguity, I don't read
that in Slughorn's statement at all.

Slughorn-

"Well, you split your soul, you see," said Slughorn, "and 
hide part of it in an object outside the body. Then, even
if one's body is attacked or destroyed, one cannot die, 
for part of the soul remains earthbound and undamaged. 
But of course, existence in such a form ..."

You could interpret Slughorn as saying "for part of the 
soul remains earthbound and undamaged" as saying that 
the part remains but the core is gone. I don't read it 
that way though. What I read in that fragment is that the
'Core' is anchored by the 'part'. In either case, Slughorn
doesn't specifically say any part crosses over.



> 
> > Carol:
> > 
> > But the Core soul can't become a free soul piece as 
> > long as a single Horcrux anchors it to earth. Of that
> >  much I'm certain. It's the whole point of creating a
> > Horcrux in the first place ...
> 
> Ken:
> 
> I disagree, or at least I am *not* sure. By Slughorn's 
> account the horcrux owner is kept "alive" if *any* part 
> of the soul remains Earthbound. Slughorn's account is 
> what makes it seem like there must be a *third* component
> of a human being and I have called that the spirit since
> a fair amount of human thinking has historically 
> described us as consisting of body, soul, and spirit. 

bboyminn:

I think the Spirit of which you speak is part of the Core 
soul which I also, less frequently, refer to as the Self-
Soul. I would speculate that the 'Spirit' of which you 
speak is the abstract sense of Self. As I've said before,
what separates a Soul-Bit from the Core-Soul is that the 
Core-Soul additionally contains the sense of earthly 
identity; the memories, the self-awareness, etc..., all 
the things that Voldemort is trying to preserve by 
circumventing death.

I speculate that the Core-Soul and Spiritual-Self are 
always companions, and that the remote Soul-Bits are 
pure aspects of the unearthly spiritual realm. 

If you can find a quote where Slughorn clearly say that
the human-embodied Core-Soul crosses over when the Horcrux
protected human body is destroyed, I'd like to see it. 

I personally feel he is saying just the opposite, that 
the Core-Soul in combination with the Spiritual-Self 
(which encompasses the earthly identity) are held to the
earth by the existance of remote inanimately embodied 
Soul-Bits. That is was the Core-Soul and what we are now
calling the Spiritual-Self are what lived on in Albania,
and what now live on in Voldemort's new body.

Just passing it along.

Steve/bboyminn