[HPforGrownups] Re: OoP clues?

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 158192

> Abergoat writes:
>
> ... it continues to baffle me that so many readers aren't
> bothered by the fact that Dumbledore, head of the highest wizarding
> court of law, gave 'evidence' that Sirius was the Secret Keeper.
> Dumbledore wouldn't use hearsay, wouldn't say "Sirius had been their
> Secret Keeper" if he only knew of a plan and I seriously doubt the
> Potters lied to Dumbledore that they had successfully made Sirius the
> Secret Keeper (the only acceptable hearsay because they are dead).

Kemper now:
I don't recall that Dumbledore gave 'evidence' to the Wizengamot that
condemned Sirius.  I do recall that he gave 'evidence' that to pardon
Snape.
Will you site passages for me, so that I can look it up?  I would like
to re-read those sections.

> Abergoat continues:
> ... Peter seemed to have a fairly elaborate plan to
> frame Sirius...and I think it started playing out with Peter using
> Polyjuice to handout the secret.

Kemper now:
I don't think Peter had the wherewithall to frame Sirius.  I think
Peter believed Voldemort would be successful.  The plan to frame
Sirius occured only after Voldemort's failure.

> Abergoat continues:
> Which means it is quite possible Snape - given the secret at
> Dumbledore's request because he was in a position to warn them the
> fastest - overheard part of Voldemort's 'the moment of triumph is
> near' speech and raced to tell the Potters their Secret was known.

Kemper now:
Snape wouldn't be able to find the Potter's unless Peter told him
where they were... which I suppose would be easy for Snape to trick
Peter into giving him that information.

> Abergoat continues:
> But James refused to believe and flattened him for suggesting his
> friend was a traitor.
>
> If true, then Lily had to spend the precious few minutes James bought
> her by hiding an unconscious Snape (freezing charm and invisibility
> cloak anyone? Another front row seat to tragedy just like Harry?)
>
> Abergoat, who admits for this to work Lily must have had no idea that
> Voldemort would kill Harry...and thinks her words in Harry's memory
> support that.
>


Kemper now:
Interesting theory.  Can you give sitations again that list how Lily's
words support it?  Cause I'm finding it difficult to embrace and would
like more documentation.

Kemper, open to the idea that Snape was at the Potter's but not sure
on the how he got there