Fidelius Charm - Godric's Hollow Destroyed

[abergoat]

No: HPFGUIDX 158332

Carol first:
> > But where is the evidence that they knew or that James, Peter, and 
> Sirius hatched some elaborate scheme to inform them of the Potters' 
> whereabouts? 

Ceridwen wrote:
> Evidence?  Probably scattered all through the books, we just don't 
> see it because we don't know what to look for yet.

Abergoat writes:
A possible clue is here:
Snape PoA, Ch 19
Like father, like son, Potter! I have just saved your neck; you should
be thanking me on bended knee!<snip>You'd have died like your father,
too arrogant to believe you might be mistaken in Black-

Abergoat continues:
That is highly suggestive that Snape tried to save James and he was un
appreciate at some point. I good possibility is Snape went to Godric's
Hollow to try to warn the Potters Voldemort was coming but James
refused to believe him. Perhaps knocking Snape unconscious for a crass
remark about Sirius, the man Snape thought was the Secret Keeper.

Is it so hard to believe the Potters would insist on DD being told the
Secret? And that Peter wouldn't want DD to know he was the SK because
he knew the Potters were going to die? And is it so difficult to
believe that DD wanted Snape to be given the Secret so he could warn
the Potters if he heard anything as a spy? Its even possible it was a
trap, DD had become suspicious and thought by exposing that Snape as a
spy for DD would cause Sirius (Polyjuiced!Peter) expose Snape and
Voldemort's fury would redirect to Snape for a bit. I imagine Snape
would agree since we know his 'greatest regret' was giving the
prophecy to Voldemort once he learned the Potters were the target of it.

But Peter was never loyal to Voldemort. He is just saving his own
skin. Nothing to be gained by exposing Snape...and could be useful
information later. Peter would have kept his mouthshut.

Ceridwen wrote:
> And what we're looking for is evidence of the significance of DD 
> having James's Invisibility Cloak at the time of his death. 

Abergoat writes:
I'm sure it has been offered before but I think Snape is a good bet.
It is hard to spy for DD when LV expects him to be spying on DD in the
little free time that new Professor Snape has. And Hogwarts is hard to
enter and leave without detection...yes, I think an Invisibility Cloak
would be absolutely necessary for Snape to spy at 'great personal
risk' as DD says he did in GoF's pensieve scene of the trial. And if
the Potters thought they were giving up the cloak to IMPROVE their
security (by giving a spy access to LV's activities) they would do it.

Ceridwen wrote:
> I'm not so much into elaborate schemes to give the secret to the 
> Good  Guys. 

Abergoat writes:
Yes, but JKR isn't known for simple plots, is she? I mean, a wizard
that has been living as a rat for 12 years? A professor running around
with a smelly inhuman thing in his turban? An (elaborate) scheme to
use Harry's blood to regain a body?

Ceridwen wrote:
> If there was anything elaborate going on, it would have been on 
> LV's side, to conceal the identity of his informant from the other 
> DEs.

Abergoat writes:
Ah, but Peter isn't unknown for elaborate plots (rat form, explosion
framing Sirius). An elaborate plot to hide his identity as the Secret
Keeper for some people LV is about to kill doesn't seem just feasible,
it seems to be a necessity from his standpoint. And access to the
Polyjuice? (a common complaint) HBP makes it clear from its 'purple
leaflet' that Voldemort is known for employing Polyjuice. Peter would
have no trouble getting access, Voldemort might have even encouraged
it to keep his informant 'useful' after the Potters died. The whole
thing could have been Voldemort's idea.

Ceridwen wrote:
> You objected much earlier (I think it was you!) that LV would have 
> sensed Snape under a cloak.  But, I suggest that this was where 
> Occlumency came in handy.  *IF* it blocks the thoughts, then it can 
> be used to block all evidence of thought, IMO.  

Abergoat writes:
Good point. And if Snape was unconscious because James flattened him
for suggesting that a friend was a traitor there isn't any need for
Occlumency at all...but I do think Lily put a freezing charm on Snape
so he wouldn't attract attention when he regained consciousness. I
think Lily was aware of how important Snape was to DD's war.

Snape's presence at Godric's Hollow as the added benefit of explaining
the strangeness of Fidelius and JKR having Harry go there in the last
book. If Fidelius wasn't still in effect there would be nothing to
find. But if Snape was released when Lily died (just like Harry on the
tower) but was in shock until Voldemort died (like Harry on the
tower), then Snape could have moved baby Harry from the part of the
house that was still standing to the room LV and James destroyed so
that Hagrid could see him. 

And I wouldn't be surprised if rat Peter saw Harry moved too (and
Hagrid speaking to empty air?)...Peter definitely would have come
running to beg for mercy from his victorious friends and claim his
role was important. But he found they weren't victorious and there
would be no mercy from them...

Abergoat, that thinks it all would make a compelling story