Sirius, Sirus, and more Sirius (was: Petunia/Headmaster/LVatHogwarts/Mo...)

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 158589

> > a_svirn:
>  Dumledore knew that it wasn't a final victory, but there 
> > wasn't any immediate danger for Harry.
> >
> 
> Pippin:
> That's where we see things differently. Yes, the danger of a 
> Voldemortist coup would be in abeyance until Voldemort 
> recovered his body and could command his DE's again. 
> Harry would not wake up one day to find dragons circling 
> Trafalgar Square or giants invading Surrey.
> 
> But--
> 
>  Dumbledore wasn't only trying to save Harry from living in 
> a world dominated by Voldemort. 

a_svirn:
Where did this "only" come from?  He wasn't trying to save Harry 
from living in the world dominated by Voldemort period. And since 
this world wasn't dominated by some magical equivalent of Hitler, 
why should Harry have sought a political asylum in the muggle world? 

> Pippin:
>He was trying to save Harry
> from being murdered.  The number of potential Harry-
> killers actually increased with Voldemort's loss of power, 
> since besides being in danger from Voldemort himself, Harry was 
> now  in danger from suicidal fanatic Death Eaters seeking 
> vengeance on their  master's behalf. Voldemort's wand must
> have been missing from the scene and that would mean at
> least one of his faithful was at large and knew what had
> happened. 

a_svirn:
Well, I am not quite sure where in canon all those suicidal death 
eaters are mentioned, but in any case it's different kind of danger 
that requires different kind of solution. Take your own simile – in 
the real world refugees fleeing from genocide and some VIPs targeted 
by criminals usually take different routs. For the former – 
emigration and political asylum on the lousiest possible terms, for 
the latter bodyguards, high-tech security, witness protection 
programs and such. Dumbledore could have taken this route too.  He 
wasn't a stranger to such ticks; in fact, he offered something like 
that to Draco. He could even have declared Harry dead and let him 
live under assumed identity with someone who loved him (with 
Sirius). Instead he forced Harry onto the Dursleys and 
simultaneously sold the-boy-who-lived story to the wizarding 
community. And had the gall to use it as another argument in favour 
of the muggle world. 

> Pippin:
> Dumbledore  could also reasonably expect that 
> Voldemort himself  was still capable of 
> finding ways to kill Harry and still motivated to do so. 

a_svirn:
The only thing Voldemort was capable at the time is sustaining his 
vapoury essence. And for all Dumbledore knew he could continue in 
this pitiful state for another quarter of the century. It's not like 
the prophecy contained any specific dates to work with.   

> Pippin:
> But Dumbledore couldn't have explained  that without explaining 
> about horcruxes or Voldemort's interpretation of the prophecy.  
> He did not want Voldemort to realize how much he knew, so he 
> couldn't alert anyone  to the real extent of the danger. 
> 
> Certainly Dumbledore was in no position to explain all this to 
> anyone in the Order when Dumbledore did not yet know which 
> Order member was the spy. Yet they could hardly have been 
> expected to defend Harry adequately without knowing it. 
> Only Petunia could do that.

a_svirn:
I got the impression that no one in the Order ever demanded 
explanations from Dumbledore. He gave orders, others obeyed. 

> Pippin:
> Anyway, things wouldn't have looked very good for Sirius even
> before  the attack on the Muggles. James and Lily had trusted 
> him above all others, Dumbledore believed he had been their
> secret-keeper, and James and Lily were *dead*. Even if Dumbledore 
> knew that Sirius had been chosen as Harry's guardian, it would've 
> been reckless to hand Harry over to him under  the circumstances. 

a_svirn:
Which is why he should have acquainted himself with the true 
circumstances before making a decision of this magnitude.