Sirius without trial - a perspective

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 158835

> > Alla,
> > still surprised that Sirius love for Harry should be reduced to 
his 
> > secondary motivations, despite him stating to the contrary, but 
to 
> > each their own.
> 
> zgirnius:
> Because it is not someone's words that matter most to me, if I am 
> trying to determine what matters most to them. People can lie, 
people 
> can fail to understand (or admit) their own motivations to 
themselves 
> for any number of reasons. It is their actions that are most 
telling. 
> 
> Sirius's actions in GoF and OotP speak for themselves. He does care 
> about Harry, and his well-being is a big motivation for Sirius's 
> actions. But the evidence of his actions in PoA indicates pretty 
> clearly to me that revenge was a big motivating factor for Sirius 
as 
> well, in that book. 

Alla:

People can lie,yes, so you think Sirius was lying?

I mean, if he was lying that he was escaping because he was worried 
about Harry, maybe he was lying in the Shack that he wanted to commit 
the murder he was imprisoned for?

I think he was saying an absolute truth in both instances and those 
factors really cannot be divided percentage wise, but the emphasis is 
made IMO on Sirius escaping because he was worried about Harry and to 
kill Peter as revenge and because he was worried about Harry.

Yes, again the revenge was a big motivating factor, but I do not see 
the evidence that the revenge in itself was a factor for Sirius' 
escape, you know?

What I am arguing against is Sirius' care for Harry well-being being 
pushed to the back of his motivations, reduced to something 
insignificant, you know?

And I agree with Sherry - we saw clearly IMO what turned out to be 
more important for him - Harry or revenge, when he did not kill Peter.

He says that Harry is the only one who has a right to decide 
paraphrase.
 
> I'm not sure what Carol meant by bringing Harry and Snape into her 
> post, but I see Snape as a prime example of this idea in action in 
> reverse. Based on his words and demeanor, he could not care less 
> whether Harry lives or dies. Based on his actions...totally 
different 
> picture.
>

Alla:

I think both Sirius actions and words show that he cares about Harry.

Oh, and again his love for Harry does not mean that he did not make 
plenty mistakes in his life. But I completely disagree ( not with 
you) that his care for Harry well being is just something tiny, I 
think it is a big integral part of his character.

JMO,

Alla