Could Kreacher be a spy?

Petra ms_petra_pan at yahoo.com
Sun Apr 8 21:59:45 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 167216

Petra, previously:
> One possible advantage to such a pretense would be that Bella
> would have furtive access to Number 12 since she would be the
> true owner.  Are there evidence to that?  If Bella is able to
> penetrate the Order's headquarters, I cannot imagine she
> wouldn't have done so.
 
Ryan:
> Do we have any evidence that Bella is the "true owner" of Number 12 
> Grimmauld Place?
 
Petra: 
Ah, let me clarify: We don't.
 
We have evidence to the contrary: Kreacher obeying Harry's 
command is taken to be evidence that Harry has indeed become 
the true owner of Grimmauld Place.  Since Kreacher's obedience 
is the proof of ownership, whether Kreacher is a spy or not, 
whether his obedience is pretense or not, calls such a proof
into question.
 
Ryan:
> Sure, she's part of the Black clan, but that 
> doesn't mean her particular part of the Black family has any claim 
> to the house.
 
Petra:
True however it's not her branch of the family having claim but
the likelihood that once the male line had ended, the family's 
preference for pure-bloods would kick in thus over-riding 
Sirius's will, that makes the pure-blood and next in kin Bella 
the likely owner.
 
My thinking is that *if* Kreacher is a spy for the Death 
Eaters and only pretending that Harry is his master (and if 
Dumbledore understands the Black family dynamics correctly), 
then Bella is the true owner and surely at some point shows 
up at her property.
 
If Bella is able to penetrate the Order's defenses and destroy 
its headquarters, I cannot imagine she wouldn't have done so.  
We have no evidence that she was able to wreak havoc at Number
Twelve, *therefore* I find it unlikely that Kreacher is a spy.  
Not at all impossible but unlikely.
 
But this is rather secondary in answering the original question
from christopherauk in #167165:
> Could Kreacher be a spy and only pretending that Harry is
> his master?
 
As christopherauk said:
> Admittedly my evidence for this is very limited, but why didn't Kreacher
> have to punish himself when he insulted Harry?  Dobby did when he worked
> for the Malfoys.
 
Petra:
I find it completely plausible that the Malfoys would insist 
that their house elves be punished for insulting their owners
and that this is not an intrinsic part of house elvery in 
general.
 
Petra
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