Time-turning

[Zara]

No: HPFGUIDX 167430

> Bart:
> The only explanation is not a line, but a loop; there's the way the 
events go the "first time", and then the way they go subsequent times:
> 
> 1) Harry hears the axe fall.
> 2) Shrieking Shack incident.
> 3) Harry and Sirius meet the Dementors.
> 4) Harry lives, but without help from his future self.
> 5) Harry and Hermoine go back in time.
> 6) H&H save Buckbeak.
> 7) Harry saves himself, changing the past, but not enough to change 
the fact he went back in time.
> 8) H&H save Sirius.
> 9) H & H 1 go back in time, this time with Harry having the memory 
of having saved himself.
> 10) H&H save Buckbeak.
> 11) Harry saves himself, realizing that this is how he got saved 
the 1st (really 2nd) time.
> 12) H&H save Sirius.
> 13) Time marches on.

zgirnius:
This is not the only way to explain the events. This is the order in 
which the narrator of PoA describes (some of) these events. It is 
not, however, necessarily their actual chronological order. Below I 
provide a chronological ordering of (most of) these same events which 
is 100% consistent with canon. Your list also includes events that 
never happened, and others you assume happened but which did not 
provably happen, on which I comment below.

Here is the order of events as I see it:

5) Harry and Hermoine go back in time. 
      This occurs at roughly the same time as H&H leave the castle
      for Hagrid's. We can deduce this both because they almost
      certainly hear themselves in the hallway. Also because they
      rescue Bucky before the axe falls.
6, 10) H&H save Buckbeak. (Why twice? We were only shown it once.)
1) Harry hears the axe fall.
2) Shrieking Shack incident.
3) Harry and Sirius meet the Dementors.
4) (deleted nonexistent event - please cite canon this happened, if I 
am mistaken. You are *assuming* this, I believe. The assumption that  
Harry was saved by himself is at least as correct as yours, we have 
canon of Harry doing it.)
11), 7) Harry saves himself. (This only happens once, again).
12, 8) H&H save Sirius. (Again, only happens once).
13) Time marches on (If you insist; it always does).


9) H & H 1 go back in time, this time with Harry having the memory of 
having saved himself.
This item I can't even place. It makes no sense to me. When did Harry 
travel back in time with the memory of having saved himself? The 
thoughts about saving himself are had by Harry 2, who is the Harry we 
follow through the rest of the series. He has never time-turned since.