Time-turning

[Inge]

No: HPFGUIDX 167493

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "jmwcfo" <jmwcfo at ...> wrote:

> JW said:
Briefly, let us assume that some time turners still exist. DD had
one. Perhaps HP's parents had another. Let us further imagine HP
(plus others, as necessary) TT back to the fateful night at GH.

However, the events of that night unfold differently from our
established canon. HP (and cohorts) are participants, unseen by LV
and the Potters (invisibility cloaks and charms used here - even an
improved version of the Weasely invisibility hat would work).

This time, LV is destroyed completely - the horcruxes were
successfully destroyed previously. The Potters live. HP is
scarless. He is raised by his parents; he never lives with the
Dursleys. He is a "normal" young wizard in a peaceful WW. He isn't
even a parselmouth. He attends Hogwarts. There is no curse on the
DADA teachers. Quirrel has no turban - no LV exists to hide under
it. No Snapish ambiguities. Peter never blew up the street. Sirius
never goes to Azkaban, and does not die at the DoM. No reason for HP
to participate in the TWT. Cedric does not die. No reason for
Umbridge to be a DADA teacher or Inquisitor. No reason for those
special lessons from Snape. There is no thestral ride to the MoM;
the battle never happens. DD never has to give private lessons to
HP. DD is not killed - the scene on the tower does not exist.
Malfoy has no reason to try to kill DD - LV was completely destroyed
forever 15 years before.

And because the end-time has been a peaceful and LV-free world,
nobody remembers ANY of the original events as documented in the
septology. (Analogy - Wizard of Oz, with Dorothy not remembering her
bizarre dream.) The epilogue describing the future lives of the
characters relates completely to the end-time scenario. HP lives a
long life with Ginny or Cho or [insert name here] and they have
children like rabbits have bunnies.

We readers are left holding (literally as well as figuratively) the
only proof that the story as we understood it ever happened - it has
become a parallel universe within an alternative universe, replaced
because of a change in a single event. We keep this knowledge
because we are outside viewers, not inside participants, of the WW.
We had a window into the WW but were not a part of it. Our
septologies, movies, web sites, chat rooms etc. are not impacted by
the change in history in the WW. Of course, we are left debating
events that never happened, not even in the fictional world in which
we thought they happened.

And everybody lives happily ever after - except for us.

Again, the ABOVE is NOT the OPINION of yours truly. This was NOT a
prediction, merely a what-if exercise.

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Inge now:

Enjoyed reading your "what-if" post - and I will agree with you, 
that things might happen like that "if" so-and-so...

But!In your scenario Harry goes back as a 17 year old boy and does 
not suddenly become an infant again just because LV is 
destroyed "this time around". 
Harry will still be 17 years old.

And!Even IF Harry turned 1½ years old again - what would happen when 
15 years have passed and Harry reaches the time when he Time-Turned? 
Will he not simply get back into - and rejoin - the world he left? 
Because everyone else who didn't Time-Turn with him, would still be 
living as if Harry never Time-Turned.... or?