Time-turning

[Zara]

No: HPFGUIDX 167586

 
> Dana now:
> 
> You are contradicting yourself here. If history cannot be changed 
> then her future self cannot save these two innocent lives, because 
to 
> be from the future you already must have a past, otherwise the 
future 
> is the present and in the present these events have not yet 
occurred 
> and both Hermione's would not have a recollection of it. You now 
only 
> dedicate the past time to be created by a future self instead of a 
> present time self in a first run. 

zgirnius:
I am not. It is possible that my interpretation is not what Rowling 
intended - I continue to participate in this discussion because I 
recognize that possibility. However, my explanations themselves 
conform fully to a theory of time travel that is internally 
consistent. 

What they are not consistent with is your insistence that the cause 
must precede the effect in time. My view is that time travel is 
precisely that thing which permits the effect to precede its cause in 
time, however illogical this seems. 
> Dana: 
> Let me show you the scene where Hermione disappears just before 
they 
> all are about to enter the charms.
> 
> Pg 217 UKed Paperback:
> 
> `We're due in Charms,' said Ron, still goggling at Hermione. `We'd 
> better go.'
> They hurried up the marble staircase towards Professor Flitwick's 
> classroom. `You're late, boys!' said Professor Flitwick 
reprovingly, 
> as Harry opened the classroom door. `Come along, quickly, wands 
out, 
> we're experimenting with Cheering Charms today. We've already 
divided 
> into pairs -'
> 
> Harry and Ron hurried to a desk at the back and opened their bags. 
> Ron looked behind him.'Where's Hermione gone? Harry looked around, 
> too. Hermione hadn't entered the classroom, yet Harry knew she had 
> been right next to him when he had opened the door. 
> 
> `That's weird,' said Harry, starring at Ron. `Maybe – maybe she 
went 
> to the bathroom or something?'  
> But Hermione didn't turn up all lesson. 
> 
> Hermione wasn't at lunch either. 
> 
> Hermione was sitting at a table, fast asleep, her head resting on 
an 
> open Arithmancy book. They went to sit down on either side of her. 
> Harry prodded her awake.
> 
> `Wh-what?' Said Hermione, waking with a start, and staring wildly 
> around. `Is it time to go? W-which lesson have we got now?'
> `Divination, but isn't for another twenty minutes,' said 
> Harry. `Hermione, why didn't you come to Charms?' 
> What? Oh no! Hermione squeaked. `I forgot to go to Charms!'
> `But how could you forget?' Harry said. `You where with us till we 
> were right outside the classroom!'

zgirnius:
Thaank you for calling my attention to this scene, and especially for 
your prompt offlist response to help me locate it in my US edition!

Here is the 'time happens once, we cannot change the past' 
explanation of how this came to be. (Yes, one exists. And I am glad, 
because this truly is the view of time travel I find more natural - I 
can still hope that if time travel occurs in DH, it will be the kind 
that makes sense to me).

Hermione went to CoMC with the boys, and walked back with them to the 
castle. However, she was also in Arithmancy *at the same time*, 
because instead of walking into Charms with the boys, she time turned 
to catch Arithmancy. She did so out of a preference to manage her 
mutliple time turns in shorter intervals.

So, she time turned to get to Arithmancy. After that class, as you 
point out, there was still time left before Charms, because ComC is a 
longer class. She spent the time in the Common Room, where she fell 
asleep and failed to show up in Charms as she had planned, and was 
discovered by the boys as you cite.