The Coward and Deserter

[Goddlefrood]

No: HPFGUIDX 167951

> > > Toonmili: 
 
> > > Besides when Voldemort returned he said: "one has left me 
forever and he will be killed..." Everyone agrees he was talking 
about Snape. :-?

> > Goddlefrood:
 
> > Do they, now? 
 
> Toonmili:

> Thank you for this yummy question.

Goddlefrood:

Here to observe and interject, a pleasure iow :)

> Toonmili:

> This is what Voldemort said in GOF:
> 
> "And here we have six missing Death Eaters...three dead in my 
service. One, too cowardly to return...he will pay. One, who I 
believe has left me forever...he will be killed, of course...
and one, who remains my most faithful servant, and who has 
already reentered my service."

Goddlefrood:

Really, you surprise me ;)

I said before and I'll say it again, Karkaroff WAS killed after
a year or so on the run (or maybe he's alive, I have seen that
one before and commented on it ;)

In Spinner's End in HBP Snape tells Bella that he returned 
later than the graveyard scene. LV was making assumptions in 
his loyalty, IMO, LV believed Snape was a coward, and possibly 
repeated that to Severus during their little tete-a-tete when 
Snape proferred his explanation for not answering the Dark Mark 
call.

It would also be interesting if this were true and explain 
somewhat Snape's reaction to being called a coward by Harry 
during the Flight of the Prince, n'est ce pas?

The duplicitous one is far more likely to be the coward referred
by LV than is Karkaroff IMNSVHO ;)

> Toonmili:

> Karkaroff was the one who was afraid to go to Azkaban. 

Goddlefrood:

Ah, but Igor WAS in Azkaban and made the equivalent of a bargain
with the MoM to give evidence against other DEs in exhchange for
either a reduction in his sentence or an immediate release.
Karkaroff is the coward.

> Toonmili:

> Barty Crouch Jr.

Goddlefrood:

Agreed relative to Barty Jnr :)

> Toonmili:

> Besides Snape confirms this in HBP:
 
> Chapter 2, Snape says:
 
> "The Dark Lord's initial displeasure at my lateness vanished 
entirely, I assure you, when I explained that I remained faithful, 
although Dumbledore thought I was his man. Yes, the Dark Lord 
thought that I had left him forever, but he was wrong."

Goddlefrood:

Confirmation of what I say above, IMO, Snape was the coward, but 
Karkaroff was the deserter to be killed.

Rubeus:

"Sorry 'bout that"

> Toonmili:

> So there you have it, proof that Snape is the one he believes 
to have left him forever and not Karkaroff.

Goddlefrood:

If that's proof then I'll retire tomorrow ;)

Glad you agree that LV does not fear Snape though, kind regards.