An Oddity - Dumbledore and Fawkes

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 168014

---  "justcarol67" <justcarol67 at ...> wrote:

> 
> Carol responds:
> I don't think that fawkes is "a repository for a 
> portion of DD's soul." ... too much like a Horcrux. 
> Clearly, however, the bond ...(between Dumbledore &
> Fawkes)... parallels that between Voldemort and 
> Nagini. Both seem to me to be variations on the idea
> of a witch's or sorceror's "familiar." ...
> 
> DD says first, ... "... You will also find that help
> will always be given at Hogwarts to those who ask for
> it" (CoS Am. ed. 264).
> 
> Help for Harry arrives in the form of Fawkes bearing 
> the Sorting Hat with the concealed Sword of Gryffindor
> in it. ... None of this would be possible, IMO, unless
> DD had engineered it in advance, ..
> 

bboyminn:

When it comes to Dumbledore pre-planning to help Harry
by sending Fawkes, I have the same feeling that I have
when people suggested the Dumbledore planned for Snape
to kill him. That just feels like too much detail. 

I take a more general approach. Dumbledore planned for
Snape to do what must be done for the greater good
regardless of any necessary but unpleasant sacrifice, 
but nothing so specific as 'when the DE's enter the 
castle, then you seek up an kill me'. That's just too
absurd.

Now, I think Dumbledore had a general plan for helping
Harry, but again, you are presenting too many details
that Dumbledore simply wasn't able to foresee. So,
a general plan. Dumbledore instructed Fawkes to watch
over things while he was gone. If /anyone/ was in
dire need of help and had shown loyalty to Dumbledore
then Fawkes should go to their aid, and aid them as
best he could. 

Though I can't prove it, I've alway suspected the Sword
was always in the hat, but no one ever knew it. Fawkes
grabbed that Hat knowing it contain great magic, and
could produce what Harry needed. Maybe the sword was 
not always in the Sorting Hat, but maybe the Hat worked
like a magic wishing Hat. Harry had a need, wished for
something to fulfill that need, and the Hat provided by
summoning the Sword from where ever it was stored.

I can't say that Dumbledore did /not/ put the sword in
the Hat, but that seems very specific. Again, I question
whether he could have foreseen what Harry would need in
the moment. Perhaps what Harry really needed under other
slightly different circumstances was not a sword but a
mirror so the Basilisk could see it's own gaze and 
essentially kill itself. That's actually been done
before, creatures that kill with a look, kill themselves
by looking at themselves.

I think the Magic Hat bringing what was needed in the 
moment makes more sense than Dumbledore being able to
predict the future. But then, I always was a little 
odd ;).

> Carol:
>
> ...
> 
> Probably the specific words that Harry spoke didn't 
> matter; it was the sentiment--fierce loyalty to 
> Dumbledore in a time of need--that summoned Fawkes 
> to help Harry.
> 

bboyminn:

Off on a tangent, as I frequently am. Note that Dumbledore
is gone, Fawkes is still at large. What are the chances
that Harry will call Fawkes to him again at a time of 
very dire need in the final book? Is this ability,
demonstrated more than once, of Harry's to draw aid from
Fawkes merely a set up for a greater need and greater
calling of Fawkes in the final book, or has that card
already been played? 

I can see Harry captured by Voldemort and/or Death Eaters,
trapped in a Dungeon. Desperately lamenting that Dumbledore
isn't there to help him, but wishing with all his might
that he was. Suddenly Fawkes appears, grabs Harry by the
shoulders, and the two of them are out of there. 

OK maybe that specific scene isn't that likely, but the
core question remains, do you see a /likely/ possibility
that Harry will call Fawkes to him again, in a time of
great need? 

Just curious.
Steve/bboyminn