[HPforGrownups] The one... to vanquish... approaches.... The one... to vanquish will be born

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 168111

> Kemper wrote earlier:
> > To refresh everyone, the prophecy in three easy to digest part:
> >
> > 1. The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches....
> >
> > 2a. Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh
> > month dies... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he
> > will have the power the Dark Lord knows not...
> >
> > 2b. and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live
> > while the other survives....
> >
> > 3. The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as
> > the seventh month dies...
> >
> > Back to me (Kemper):
> > What part of the prophecy did Snape over hear?
>
> Bart replied:
> Yeesh! There was one part of the prophecy, in particular, that puzzled
> me, but I think you have solved the puzzle. What you list as "3" is
> redundant. Why is it important?
>
> And the answer is because there are choices. And the very action of
> Snape eavesdropping, being found, and being thrown out CHANGES the
> prophecy midway. But the series of the events re-affirms the prophecy,
> hence the next statement.


Kemper now:
How is 3 redundant?  I don't understand your question nor your
corresponding answer, please clarify.

Kemper, returning to topic:
I'll just use this post as a springboard to address those who might
seek to poke holes in this theory.

Hole Poker:
But Kemper, Dumbledore tells Harry in HBP that Snape 'heard the first
half of Professor Trelawney's prophecy.'

Kemper now:
Hole Poker you are right.  I believe I was wrong when I asked and
answered earlier:

> What part of the prophecy did Snape over hear?
> I believe it was 2a.

I now believe Snape only heard part 3.

But I remind you, Hole Poker, that Dumbledore also admits to Harry,
'In fact, being - forgive me - rather cleverer than most men, my
mistakes tend to be correspondingly huger.'

So what's DD's huge mistake in this instance?  To answer that I have
to challenge how DD came to know Snape only heard 'the first half' of
the prophecy.  The only logical answer is that Aberforth told him what
had happened.  So Aberforth may have heard the part of the prophecy as
well, the last part which sounds suspiciously like the first part.

The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the
seventh month dies...

My imaginings of what was going on:
DE!Snape is assigned to track DD.  DE!Snape is good at sneaking.  He
already has info that DD's meeting someone at the Hogshead, so he gets
there a bit ahead of time orders a drink from Aberforth and sits where
he has a good view of the pub.  DE!Snape looks at all the the pub's
patrons and wonders which one Snape is meeting or if the person is
there yet.  After a bit of time, DD walks in, but instead of sitting
at any table occupied or not, DD walks to where the cheap rooms are.

DE!Snape can handle the unanticipated.  He waits for a few moments
before getting up to learn where and with whom DD is.  It is then,
when DE!Snape gets up, that he /approaches/ DD and Trelawney.

Aberforth notices DE!Snapes absence almost immediately and knows that
he did not leave as a lone barkeep has to keep an eye and ear on the
entrance/exit.  Aberforth knows in these dark times that his brother
maybe a target, so he heads to the room where his brother is meeting
that kooky witch.  Aberforth sees DE!Snape just getting to Trelawney's
door and rushes up on him.  They both heard  part of the prophecy told
in 'harsh, horse tones':

The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the
seventh month dies...

DD stops to chat with Aberforth telling him something about losing a
lodger the next night, Aberforth tells DD what happened.  Mentions the
part he and Snape had heard.  It sounds suspiciously like the first
part of the prophecy.  DD mistakes that DE!Snape heard the first part
when he only heard the last.  DD assumes he heard the part about being
'born to parents who thrice defied him' because DD also assumes, as we
did/do, that part 1 and part 3 are referring to the same person.

Again, part 1 can refer to Snape as part 3 refers to Harry.

Kemper, who's excited about this theory and filling any holes as fast
and effectively as he can