Wands and ...Deathly Hallows plotline - Undercurrents

[Angel Lima]

No: HPFGUIDX 174531

bboyminn (with snippage):

But Harry did go through an internal struggle, from the moment 
he thinks he's figured out the Hallows, while still on the 
'camping trip', he is obsessed with them. Ron and Hermione
are determined to focus on Horcruxes, but Harry simply can't 
get his mind off Hallows.

Angel:

During their camping trip, Harry's obsession was with the 
images of Voldemort galumphing around the globe over his 
own obsession with the Eldar wand. Only Harry did not know 
it was the Eldar wand Voldemort was after. He was then unaware 
of what the hallows were, let alone their power(s).

Harry was only clued into the hallows after speaking with Xeno 
and even then the objects were hypothetical. The lapse between 
their talk with Xeno and their stint in the Malfoy Manor is 
very short. After that, particularly Dobby's death, Harry 
becomes enlightened with electrifying omniscient knowledge 
which he begins to keep closely guarded from the reader.

By then though he presupposes the Elder wand's allegiance was 
to him even though the reader did not! The reader suspected 
something by the way in which Rowling wrote the disarming of 
Draco - in the midst of the turmoil and confusion, that one 
act was crystal clear we just did not know why.


Bboyminn:

I don't see how he realizes he is 'Master of the Hallows' before 
that.

 
Angel:

By the time he made the CHOICE to pursue the horcruxes over the 
one hallow not in his possession, he was ALREADY the owner if not 
the master of all three hallows. His questioning of Ollivander 
confirms it. Witnessing Voldemort dispose of Snape to master 
the wand reaffirms it.


bboyminn:

Harry does make the same choice in every book, but it
is NOT the choice to accept/pursue, or to reject
power. It is to be selfish or selfless; Harry always
chooses to be /selfless/. 


Angel:

I am treading on thin ice here <g>.  DH has cast a different 
light on the previous books for me you see.  

In PS Harry wins the stone because he wants to thwart Voldemort

In CoS -he brings Fawkes to him because he stands up for 
Dumbledore - to belittle Riddle. Ahh he seeks the basilisk 
because Ron wants to go save his sister

GoF - in the graveyard he fights out of instinct, holds the 
PI under encouragement from Fawkes' song and instruction 
from Voldemort's victims, even bringing Cedric back was 
under instruction okay plea OotP is when he is most selfless. 
After risking all his friends' lives he does not mind dying 
so he could see the closest thing he had to a family again

HBP - disgusted he still feeds Dumbledore poison which even 
a cold hearted Muggle hating Death Eating Slytherin does not 
inflict upon his enslaved Elf

DH - he chooses horcruxes - again to finish off Voldemort over 
three items that could render him immortal, two of which he 
possessed and the third he already owns!

I am begging to be shown the selflessness in all these acts, 
I once knew them off by heart but now cannot recall 


Bboyminn:

When you are facing such of overwhelming force, it is extremely 
difficult not to chose to bring that power to bear on your own 
behalf.

That is an extreme temptation in my book; an almost impossible 
temptation for any human to resist. Yet, once again, Harry choses 
to be selfless. 
 

Angel:

It was impossible for Boromir to resist the ring that way 
because he saw all the good he could achieve with it. It was 
his good intentions that became his fatal flaw. All perfect 
Harry was told about the hallows was that it would conquer 
Death. What is so selfless in that?  He does not yet know he 
has to give up his life.

Another way to look at it would be Harry decides to overlook 
life for death - forego his chance at immortality to end 
Voldemort's existence.  Selfless only if you crave immortality 
which Harry has never had an inkling for... in fact he wanted 
the stone most when the three of them joked at which they'd 
choose.  The stone which he knew after speaking with Xeno when 
things were still hazy that Dumbledore had willed to him in the 
snitch.

I of course am making the distinction of Harry's CHOICE to pursue 
and destroy HORCRUXES rather than attain the HALLOWS and powering 
them up not his actual LIFE-SACRIFICE, which I am still not sold 
on but believe to be more selfless than "giving up the pursuit of 
the hallows".  

What was there to pursue?  He had two in his pocket already and 
he would be meeting Voldemort soon for the third<g>. 

This great phenomenal choice of startling selfless profundity - 
hallows or horcruxes took less than two seconds to read. Why? 
Because there was nothing to entice Harry or the reader to it - 
the book was already three quarters through <g> and they were 
already in Harry's ownership, their power unbeknownst to the 
reader and Harry when he had acquired them.

The only hallow Voldemort sought was the Eldar wand. It is the 
only one he wanted unaware and disinterested in the other two 
had he even known about them, according to Dumbledore<ry!>. He 
saw the power of the ring in it - Harry did not. Ron could but 
Harry having outsmarted Voldemort (how many times now I lose 
count) does not see the need in acquiring a powerful wand, his 
own had saved him countless times and performed unheard of magic 
coming to his defence against Voldemort!  What other wand could 
best that?  Harry was neither interested in what the hallows 
could do for him nor in disturbing Dumbledore's remains to get 
the remaining hallow that was out of his reach.

Voldemort and Ron had reason to lust after the Eldar wand. 
Volders wanted greatness, renown, power over all, ra ra ra. 
Ron to be distinguished as an accomplished wizard of his own. 
To be unique and not just Harry Potter's friend, another 
Weasley etc. Harry only wanted to thwart Voldemort. He could 
not be tempted by the power of the hallows because he does not 
know power. He has not been overpowered by anyone whereas 
Voldemort and Ron obviously have, they have lived in the 
shadow of someone else, a sensation yet unexperienced by 
Harry.

Thus had the choice been Ron's I would agree wholeheartedly it 
was a temptation and a mighty difficult CHOICE to make. Harry 
however is already a renowned powerful wizard. His wand acts of 
its own volition. His sole focus is to finish off Voldemort. He 
already has two hallows  in his knapsack and the one the idiotic 
evil dude is after, is already under his command. Oh yes, 
hmmmmmmmm what to choose...the three I own or the four he 
owns ... hallows or horcruxes ...

In the end his choice was to thwart Voldemort by destroying the 
horcruxes - Volder's anchors to life. The same choice he has 
made since book 1, he is shortsighted Harrahs <g>. It helps 
that the one hallow he does not physically tangibly have is 
in his legion. Ollivander explained this. Harry knew this.

That is my point in seeing his CHOICE diminished or am I just 
whack?


bboyminn:

HP books do not really have significant religious overtones, 
but because they are a story about good struggling against 
evil and winning.

I think these /universal undercurrents/ are what make Harry 
Potter so popular across such a wide range of cultures and 
religions.


Angel:

My apologies for that. I have not myself read or heard what 
Rowling has said on the matter but gauged enough of it from 
the array sprawled across her pages but since it has no 
bearing, we shall depart those murky waters.

Alas, I think I have used up my quota for the day <g>.