Requiescat in Pace: Unforgivables

[colebiancardi]

No: HPFGUIDX 174691

> Jack-A-Roe:
> But there has never been an instance where someone said Avada Kadavra 
> and a green light came out that wasn't the killing curse. 

colebiancardi:

but that is the whole point of the speculation on my part.  Since
there are other spells that have green lights that come out and it is
a trademark of an AK, you could theorize that a non-verbal spell was
sent instead and that the AK was never truly sent.  That it was
masked.  However, that is just speculation on my part, as well as
other listies

> Jack-A-Roe:
> We don't see Snape cast many curses in DH at all. <snipping>

colebiancardi: 
I was referring to all the books, not just DH.  
 
> Jack-A-Roe:
> Is it possible that silent spells was just a red herring to make 
> everyone think that Harry wasn't going to be ready to duel Voldemort?
> That maybe the classes were shown to keep the animosity between Snape 
> and Harry in front of everyone's mind?
> 

colebiancardi:

this could be a possiblity - a red herring that JKR wrote.  I think it
was another lost plot point that she couldn't resolve, imho.  
 
> Jack-A-Roe:
> Go ahead and refer to any of the books you like if it can make your 
> point. That's the whole idea.

colebiancardi:

well, thank you.  That is what I am doing and I don't try to shut down
anyone else's theories or speculations.  Once JKR comes out and states
that yes, Snape did perform an actual AK on DD, then the speculation
is over.  Just as I loathed LOLLIPOPS, it is now canon.  The AK was
never addressed in DH's nor were the non-verbals.

>Jack-A-Roe 
> I can't see where there is a need for any resolution about the AK. 
> Snape didn't deny it. If he hadn't cast it, I have no doubt it would 
> have been in the memories he gave Harry. The memories were there to 
> give Harry his story. The ones selected were all important but they 
> all showed Snape in a positive way. If he went to that much trouble 
> it only makes sense that he would let Harry know that he didn't 
> actually AK Dumbledore.
> 

colebiancardi:

we didn't see it in the Pensive memories because Harry left them
before it got to that point in the history.  Snape didn't deny it, but
heck, no one asked him, now did they?  You think he is going to tell
Voldemort that "woops, I didn't AK DD, but did a non-verbal instead" -
that would blow his cover pretty quickly.  And based on the rest of
the Order, students, wizarding world - Snape was a Death Eater.  He
held his cover pretty good. 

Also, not all of the memories showed Snape in a positive way.  The way
he treated Petunia, the way he defended his cronies who used Dark
Arts, the Worst Memory Scene, DD's "you disgust me" memory, Snape's
continuing gripe against Harry with DD.  Really, they aren't that
positive.  They are interesting, because they show us his back story
and maybe the reasons why he did the things he did, but all of them
are positive?  

I also don't think Snape hand selected these memories - they were
pouring out of him

"Something more than blood was leaking from Snape.  Silvery blue,
neither gas nor liquid, it gushed from his mouth and his ears and his
eyes" DH US ed p 657

Take that in contrast with Snape actually hand-selecting memories:

"but Snape mearly raised the wand to his temple and placed its tip
into the greasy roots of his hair.  When he withdrew it, some silvery
substance came away, stretching from temple to wand like a thick
gossamer strand, which broke as he pulled the way away from it and
fell gracefully into the Pensieve, where it swirled silvery white,
neither gas nor liquid" OotP US ed hardcover, p 533

"Snape was standing with his back to Harry, removing, as usual,
certain of his thoughts and placing them carefully in Dumbledore's
Pensieve"  OotP US ed hardcove p 638

so, I think there is more to just the memories Harry saw in the
Prince's Tale - we just didn't get them all.  If Snape was dying, he
probably just downloaded everything - they were gushing out of every
hole in his face (except the nose....) it seems.


As far as resolution, well, it is a detail that bothers me.  Some
details, like how old people are, don't bug me.  But this AK and that
we never see Snape nor hear that he ever used them, does bother me. 
It seems OOC for Snape - to me.

colebiancardi