Requiescat in Pace: Unforgivables

[jkoney65]

No: HPFGUIDX 174687

> > Jack-A-Roe:
> > It's canon that he says Avada Kedavra. It's cannon that a green 
light 
> > shot out and hit Dumbledore in the chest. 
> > 
> 
> colebiancardi:
> 
> and in past discussions on this particular point, it is also canon
> that there are other spells that shoot out green light as well.

Jack-A-Roe:
But there has never been an instance where someone said Avada Kadavra 
and a green light came out that wasn't the killing curse. 


> > Jack-A-Roe
> > There isn't anymore for us to prove on that point. 
> 
> Really?  Because you state so?  This particular issue, which was a
> *hotbed* of discussions before DH's, is no longer an issue?  What
> changed in DH's that changed this point of discussion?  Because 
quite
> frankly, we never see Snape using an Unforgivable Curse in any of 
the
> books, not even in DH's where the Trio and the rest of the Order 
just
> bandy them about.   Snape is awful careful not to tread in the UC's 
it
> seems to me.  
>

Jack-A-Roe:
We don't see Snape cast many curses in DH at all. He doesn't cast 
them in the broom escape because he isn't actually trying to stop 
them he's just acting like it. He doesn't do it against McGonnegal 
because he has no intention of trying to harm her. He also has two 
other teachers run up at that time. His goal is to escape not to harm 
anyone.
 
> 
> 
> > Jack-A-Roe: 
> > Your only argument is that they learned silent spells. Do we know 
it 
> > is possible to say one spell and think another? Not that I can 
> > remember anywhere in canon. 
> 
> 
> colebiancardi: 
> 
> and it is a pretty darn good argument, IMHO.  Where did non-verbals
> lead to in DH's?  No where.  Yet, HBP did make a big deal about 
them.
>  Do I know if it is possible to say one spell and think another?  
No.
>  But I doubt it is out of the realm of magic - after all, Snape 
states
> "...those who progress to using magic without shouting incantations
> gain an element of surprise in their spell-casting.  Not all wizards
> can do this, of course; it is a question of concentration and mind
> power which some" -- his gaze lingered maliciously upon Harry once
> more -- "lack"  HBP US ed p 179
>

Jack-A-Roe:
Is it possible that silent spells was just a red herring to make 
everyone think that Harry wasn't going to be ready to duel Voldemort?
That maybe the classes were shown to keep the animosity between Snape 
and Harry in front of everyone's mind?


 colebiancardi: 

> Now, the scene in the tower - Snape has to kill DD - if he ever 
needed
> an element of surprise, eg fool the DE's, this is his opportunity.  
By
> faking an AK with a non-verbal spell underneath it all.  Snape
> certainly has the concentration and mind power to do it. 
> 
> But again, it is speculation on my part.  However, I didn't know we
> couldn't speculate anymore now that DH is out.  My bad....wait, 
never
> mind.  I can still speculate and still whip out canon that is
> questionable, imo.  Snape's AK, as far as I am concerned, is still
> questionable because it never had a resolution in DH's.


Jack-A-Roe:
Go ahead and refer to any of the books you like if it can make your 
point. That's the whole idea.

I can't see where there is a need for any resolution about the AK. 
Snape didn't deny it. If he hadn't cast it, I have no doubt it would 
have been in the memories he gave Harry. The memories were there to 
give Harry his story. The ones selected were all important but they 
all showed Snape in a positive way. If he went to that much trouble 
it only makes sense that he would let Harry know that he didn't 
actually AK Dumbledore.


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