Wands (Was: Inconsistencies)

[va32h]

No: HPFGUIDX 174861

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "kenneth9840" <kennclark at ...> 
wrote:
 
> "'Fraid not.
> 
> Draco becomes the master of the Elder wand when he beats Dumbledore 
> even though he never touches it thereafter.  When Harry beats 
>Draco, carrying whatever wand (both of them) he becomes the new 
>master of the Elder wand even though it was not even present at the 
>confrontation.
> At no time does Harry become master of Draco's wand, in fact there 


va32h:

'Fraid so. Reference pg 494, US edition. 

Harry asks Ollivander: "I took this wand from Draco Malfoy by force; 
can I use it safely?"

Ollivander says: "I think so. Subtle laws govern wand ownership, but 
the conquered wand will usually bend it's will to ITS NEW MASTER." 
(emphasis mine)


Ken:
> This of course still leaves the question of when the Elder wand 
becomes 
> aware of a change of masters.  Does the Elder wand know that Harry 
is 
> its master when Voldemort AKs him in the forest?  If so then Harry 
is 
> doubly protected, both by his shared blood and by being the master 
of 
> the wand being used against him.  Or does the Elder wand know that 
> Harry is its master only when he proclaims himself so in the last 
> confrontation with Voldemort in the Great Hall?

va32h:

The Elder Wand recognizes that it was defeated by Draco's wand 
(hereafter referred to as "the hawthorn wand". The Elder Wand does 
not yet know the wizard who wields that wand - but it recognizes that 
wand as the wand that defeated it. 

Harry realizes this during is wandlore revelation moment with 
Ollivander, which is probably why he stops worrying about Voldemort 
having the Elder Wand from there after. 

The Elder Wand did not recognize Harry in the forest, because Harry 
very deliberately did not raise his (the hawthorn) wand against it. 
If he had - Voldemort's AK would not have worked (the Elder Wand 
would have met its master - the hawthorn wand). 

In the Great Hall confrontation, Voldemort casts another AK at Harry, 
and Harry wields the hawthorn wand - the Elder Wand recognizes its 
master (again - the wand, not Harry) and refuses to work against it. 
Harry then picks up the Elder Wand - thus allowing the Elder Wand to 
recognize Harry himself as its new master. Which is why Harry can go 
on to use his phoenix and holly wand, and still be the master of the 
Elder Wand. 

va32h