Wands (Was: Inconsistencies)

[Kenneth Clark]

No: HPFGUIDX 174917

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "va32h" <va32h at ...> wrote:

> 'Fraid so. Reference pg 494, US edition.
>
> Harry asks Ollivander: "I took this wand from Draco Malfoy by
> force; can I use it safely?"
>
> Ollivander says: "I think so. Subtle laws govern wand ownership,
> but the conquered wand will usually bend it's will to ITS NEW
> MASTER." (emphasis mine)
>
> The Elder Wand did not recognize Harry in the forest, because Harry
> very deliberately did not raise his (the hawthorn) wand against it.
> If he had - Voldemort's AK would not have worked (the Elder Wand
> would have met its master - the hawthorn wand).

Ken says;

So many things to disagree with here.  Lets take the logic of wands
recognising wands through to its logical confusion.  I borrow Jim's
wand and defeat the owner of the Elder wand.  I then give Jim back
his wand.  Does the Elder wand recognise Jim as its master?  After
all he has the wand that defeated it even though he was not wielding
it.  I meanwhile now have my own wand. Does it recognise me as its
master even though I am not wielding the wand that defeated it?  The
elder wand is specifically stated to recognise its master - a wizard
not a wand.  It recognises Harry (either immediately or when he
declares himself to be its master)

As to the AK I think Harry's blood relationship with Voldemort is
what stopped him being killed but if the wand at that point knew he
was its master it would not have killed him.  He was doubly
protected.  But at the last AK it isnt that he wielded a wand that
had that effect but that he openly declares himself the Elder wand's
master so even if there was doubt about whether the Elder wand knew
the first time it certainly knew the second time.  By your logic if
Harry had lost Draco's wand in the Hogwarts fighting and had been
fighting with a wand he had picked up (say from some deatheater) then
the Elder wand would not have recognised him and would have killed
him.  If the Deatheater had subsequently picked up Draco's wand would
the Elder wand have recognised him or her) as its master.  The mind
boggles at the possibilities in wand swapping if we go down this
route.

I stand by what I wrote.  The Elder wand recognises its master.  It
recognises Draco as its master even though he had not even picked it
up.  It recognises Harry even though he has never even touched it.


Monica:
> In the book Ollivander states upon
> inspection of Draco's wand, "this wand used to belong
> to Draco Malfoy" or something to that effect. So here
> is canon proof that Draco's wand did change allegiance.
> Tadaaa!!!


Ken says:

"belong" and "allegiance" - two entirely different things


Ken Clark