[HPforGrownups] Re: Dumbledore and the slaughtered pig, also featuring logic, Snape, and camping

[Christine Maupin]

No: HPFGUIDX 175129

 va32h:
[big snip]
>... Summing up: Dumbledore expecting Snape to show Harry Snape's own >memories (including one that features a less-than-flatterin g speech of >Dumbledore's) is no less logical than Dumbledore giving Snape the job of telling >Harry all this in the first place which in turn is no less logical than pretty much >anything else that happens in Deathly Hallows.

I doubt Snape planned to give Harry memories on his "deathbed."  When Harry came to Snape as he lay dying, Snape (whose eyes widened I believe -- if I do remember correctly, perhaps they widened in surprise, astonishment,  thankfulness) took advantage of the opportunity to get Harry the information he needed before he (Snape) took his last breath (thus he started bleeding memories).  Snape doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who wouldn't have a plan; he didn't foresee Voldemort murdering him (his right-hand man) though.  So for all we know, he has Dumbledore's memories or other proof stashed in his office or perhaps he was counting on Dumbledore's portrait to back him up.  Who knows?  In any case, this is one of those things that I can explain to myself to my own satisfaction and see no problem (like that darn letter...)

Christy
 


va32h <va32h at comcast.net> wrote:                                  --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> 
 wrote:
 > 
 > If what you say is correct and "Showing Harry a memory
 > seems the best way to prove that what Snape is saying is true" then
 > why on Earth show him a memory of Snape's, a memory of Dumbledore
 > flapping him gums? Why didn't Dumbledore give Snape a bottle
 > containing a memory of his own and tell him to give it to Harry when
 > the time was right?
 
 va32h:
 
 Fair enough. Why didn't Dumbledore do that, then? Why did Dumbledore 
 require Snape to be the bearer of this particular message in the 
 first place? It's the most important thing for Harry to know - ever! -
  and it's crucial that he believe the message and follow through on 
 it. So Dumbledore gives this job to....the one person Harry actually 
 hates *more* than Voldemort?
 
 I'm not asking rhetorically, either - I really don't know! I might 
 have thought that Dumbledore wanted to teach Harry (and Snape) a 
 lesson about forgiveness instead of vengeance. You know, force them 
 to work together the way the camp counselors force the feuding twins 
 in "A Parent Trap" to spend the night in the same cabin. (which 
 creates an amusing mental picture at least). 
 
 But that doesn't seem to be where JKR is going with Snape, based on 
 her post-DH comments. 
 
 And while your argument is certainly logical - when has JKR ever been 
 shown to use logic in her plot twists? The whole premise of the 7 
 Potters is ridiculous, IMO, because it would have been much more 
 logical to simply have Harry put on his invisibility cloak and get in 
 the car with the Dursleys, and be dropped off at some secure location 
 from which he could Floo or even walk to the Burrow. 
 
 But of course that would be far less interesting than a deadly 
 pursuit by a swarm of Death Eaters and a Sudden!Shocking!Death!
 
 That's one of my chief complaints with DH actually - that it's too 
 obvious that things are being done for the sake of the book and not 
 the sake of the story. Does that make sense?
 
 Take GoF - a common argument has been that Fake!Moody should have 
 just made a book or a quill into  portkey and used that to get Harry 
 on the first or second day of class. The whole triwizard tournament 
 is a contrivance. Which is certainly true *but* -- valid arguments 
 can be made that it really is logical for Voldemort to wait all year 
 to get his hands on Harry. I won't bother rehashing them, because I'm 
 sure we've all read those discussions, yes?
 
 In Deathly Hallows, however, we have many situations that have no 
 purpose other than to keep the book moving along, or to give us 
 something more interesting to read than "Hermione put up the tent 
 again. This time they were on a rainy hillside and oh by the way, 
 it's now March."
 
 For example - Hermione accios a bunch of books on Horcruxes. That was 
 such a wtf moment for me. JKR needed the trio to know how to destroy 
 horcruxes so poof! they get a book all about horcruxes. That struck 
 me as a cheap, lazy way to move the book along, and wasn't an 
 explicable part of the story. 
 
 Well I seem to have got off track a bit. Summing up: Dumbledore 
 expecting Snape to show Harry Snape's own memories (including one 
 that features a less-than-flattering speech of Dumbledore's) is no 
 less logical than Dumbledore giving Snape the job of telling Harry 
 all this in the first place which in turn is no less logical than 
 pretty much anything else that happens in Deathly Hallows. 
 
 va32h
 
 
     
                       

       
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