Lily, Hagrid, Snape, Lucius, Friends (was Re: good/bad Slyth/Disappointment

[va32h]

No: HPFGUIDX 175226

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "prep0strus" <prep0strus at ...> 
wrote:

Major Snippage Ahead!


> she came to love James.  And any discussion of
> how she was manipulated into it or became a worse person over those
> years is clearly not supported at all in the text.  She seems to 
love
> her husband and son very much. 

va32h:

Can I just inject my own little personal made-up fantasy reason for 
Lily and James having got together? I imagine that they both began 
their 7th year mourning the sudden, inexplicable deaths of both of 
their parents. "Gee, your mum and dad died for no apparent reason, 
too?" Lily would say to James. "It's so odd, it's almost as if some 
unnamed force in the universe wanted us to both end up with no 
extended family, except my horrible sister, Petunia." That's the sort 
of thing that really brings two people together, you know. 

Judy wrote:
 
> Who does Snape have? Dumbledore insults him, Lily slams the door in
> his face. Who does that leave Snape as a friend? Lucius Malfoy? What
> sort of friend would Lucius be? (And Snape is actually opposing
> Lucius for most of his adult life.)

va32h:

Lucius is apparently a lifelong friend. We saw that prefect Lucius 
warmly welcomed Snape at the Sorting. Snape has a rapport with 
Lucius' son, and Lucius' wife has no hesitation to turn to Snape in 
time of need (and knows where he lives). 

Snape is *not* opposing Lucius for most of his adult life, either. 
Snape may have turned spy when he was just 21, but let's not forget 
that for the next 13 years, there was no one to spy upon. Voldemort 
(and the Death Eater movement) disappeared shortly after Snape began 
spying for Dumbledore, and Snape and Lucius both went on to pursue 
ordinary, and seemingly respectable lives until Voldemort's rebirth, 
13 years later. And even then, I would seriously argue that Lucius 
and Snape are equally unhappy about Voldemort's return. 

I won't deny that Snape was immensely brave in going back to 
Voldemort after GoF and continuing to spy on him for the next three  
years.  But let's not forget that Snape had many, many years in which 
he lived quite comfortably, with no punishment for his crimes other 
than his own guilty conscience. And those years did not improve his 
personality one bit. 

prep0strous here:
> You mention Hagrid – older than Harry's parents – not being alone
> because he is socializing with the trio.  So, until those 11 year 
olds
> came along, for all those years...? I mean, we have no canon, so I
> it's hard to say anything without conjecture, but it seems his only
> real support is Dumbledore – also Snape's only support.  Dumbledore
> and Hagrid don't appear to go out and socialize all that much.  

va32h:

But remember in GoF, when Hagrid is depressed over Rita Skeeter's 
article, Dumbledore says he has scores of owls from former students 
who adored Hagrid and will be very angry if Dumbledore sacks him. I 
think Hagrid was beloved by a succession of students, year after 
year. 

He is also well known in all the known bars of the HP world (at 
least, he has a "usual" in each of them".) I got the impression that 
Hagrid was like Norm from Cheers. Of course the adoration of children 
and a succession of drinking buddies isn't really enough to fulfill a 
man, which is probably why Hagrid is so eager to form relationships 
with Madame Maxime and with Grawp. 

va32h