Ungrateful Werewolf ( Was Re: Character Given A Reprieve)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 175580

> Mim:
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>  Sirius is not really punished. (anything short of expulsion 
> > is a JOKE) Snape is made to keep the secret, threatened or 
> possibly 
> > magically bound so that he is not even able to utter it. And on 
> top 
> > of everything, the Marauders gang up on him and pants him. He 
> > obviously can't do much there, he went to Dumbledore accusing 
them 
> > of murder and got punished himself.
 
> 
> Lanval:
> Let's keep in mind, shall we, that Snape was not punished. Not for
> 1. sneaking out at night, breaking school rules
> 2. sticking his nose in and interfering with school-approved 
business
> 3. Entering a tunnel that was clearly, absolutely, without a doubt 
> off limits to all students save Remus Lupin
> 4. Endangering himself, and another student
> 
> Remind me again what Sirius did that DD knew about, that was 
against 
> school rules and required expulsion? He told Snape how to get past 
> the WW. Had Snape been bitten, injured, perhaps killed, then yes, 
> Sirius would have been in trouble, simply because of the 
> gravity of the event. But since nothing happened, why should Sirius 
> be expelled? When does "you were reckless and may have killed 
> someone" EVER get punished as harshly as "you were reckles and 
> killed someone?"
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Alla:

Agreed with every word you said Lanval, but I also want to ask for 
canon support, that "anything short of expulsion is a joke" argument.

For example the detention in Forbidden forest say similar to what 
Harry had in PS is a joke too?

I think we saw plenty serious punishments short of expulsion, which 
was probably given to Sirius, no?

I mean, expulsion is the **ultimate** punishment that's for sure, but 
maybe what Sirius did was punished in proportion to what the offence 
actually was?

And on that I am in 100% agreement with Lanval. The fact that Snape 
dear thought that Sirius needed to be expelled does not mean that he 
really was in my view.

I was also wondering ( I think it was Pippin in another thread, but I 
think it is relevant here) - how exactly the fact that Snape is being 
quiet about the secret somehow makes it extra moral burden for Remus 
to interfere for him.

It is not like Snape **wants** to be quiet and it is not like Remus 
is somehow guilty of anything? 

It is **bad** that he did not interfere, I just do not see how the 
fact that Snape was being silent makes Remus silence to be worse IMO.


Lanval:
> If you want to argue this from a moral standpoint, yes, it was 
> reckless, stupid, and dangerous... and Snape was even MORE stupid 
> and reckless to actually follow Sirius' advice, *knowing* there was 
> a WEREWOLF lurking inside!! Which has now become canon, yay. I 
> didn't type my fingers to shreds for nothing, arguing for it. *g*
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Alla:

Oh yes. I did not even think about it originally, but then I was 
like - he knew he knew he totally KNEW and went **anyway**.

I was very happy.

Alla.