Of Sorting and Snape

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No: HPFGUIDX 175677

Lizzyben:
< BIG SNIP>

> Bringing it all back to the creature stuffed under the chair. The 
> good Gryffindors look at the shuddering, crying, rejected creature 
> and feel repulsed by it. They assure themselves that compassion & 
> love are useless qualities, and this creature simply can't be 
> helped. DD tells Harry over & over, it's got nothing to do w/you, 
> it's not a part of you, despite the fact that it's been a part of 
> him for 16 years. That crying, weak, sad creature has nothing to do 
> with you! It's evil! Reject it!! And he does. Harry cuts off that 
> part of himself as evil & wrong. Just like Gryfindors have cut off 
> the Slytherins as evil & wrong. Just like the Gryf heros have also 
> cut off & rejected the "water" qualities of themselves in favor of 
> totally overdoing the "fire" qualities that their culture values 
> more. Just like, in Jungian terms, the Harry's shadow qualities 
have 
> been rejected & purged instead of being understood or integrated 
> into the personality. It's creepy creepy.


Alla:

I just wanted to ask for some canon for this creature being part of 
Harry for sixteen years. I took it to be as what is to happen to 
whatever part of Voldemort's soul is left in him and that is what 
happened to him if he does not feel remorse.

That being part of Harry? 


> Alla wrote:
> > I am happy imagining that in the afterlife Snape will be
> > watching Lily in James' arms for eternity.
> 
> Wait a minute -- a few days ago, I said:
> > I even saw one person (Alla, I
> > think) saying how comforted she is to think of Snape being 
tormented
> > forever in the afterlife by seeing Lily in James' arms.
> 
> And Alla replied:
> > Close but not quite. I said that I was imagining that as carmic
> > justice for Snape for what he did to Harry.
> 
> So, was I right in the first place about how you felt about this, 
> Alla?
<SNIPPING Judy's view of afterlife>


Alla:

Oy, you know Judy I am starting to confuse myself. It is just so 
close.

The bottom line is that I am happy with Snape's end and that if he 
watches Lily in James hands, it would be carmic justice.


> Alla again:
> > I was quite content with
> > future generations of Hogwarts students never seeing Snape 
teaching
> > ever again.

JudySerenity: 
> Just a question -- is Snape's behavior as a teacher the main reason 
> that you hate him?  (As opposed to, say, Snape's having been a 
Death 
> Eater as your reason.) I'm trying to get a handle on the whole 
Snape-
> hatred phenomenon.

Alla:

Sure it started that way, but it is not opposed to him being a DE. I 
started  actually with Snape being my favorite character.  Believe it 
or not it is a truth. Yeah, I KNOW, weird.

But my liking for him was not the liking in a usual sense. I did not 
appreciate him treating Harry and Neville badly, I did not appreciate 
the character as **is**, I saw the potential for change, for 
redemption.

I liked him as I like Raskolnikov, Boromir, Gerald Tarant, etc

Again, I am just telling you how I perceived Snape's originally, I am 
not intending to argue about whether he achieved redemption or not, 
just telling you how I saw him.

Oh Goodness, I so wish more people read Coldfire trilogy than it 
would be so much easier to explain what I wanted for Snape's 
storyline.

I cannot put IMO after every sentence to follow – so the following is 
again obviously my opinion of how I saw Snape, not the facts.

But absolutely I wanted Snape to change towards Harry first and 
foremost and Neville. Comes book 2, book 3 – nothing and Snape's 
cruelty only keeps escalating. I still hope and when I read GoF, oh 
man, I so hoped the handshake will go somewhere and in the next book 
Snape finally sees Harry for who he is.

Well, I saw nothing to the effect, I saw Snape's unchanging hatred to 
the innocent kid, whom he probably helped made an orphan ( Snape's 
being an eavesdropper was one of the few predictions I got right, 
hehe)

I still thought he is loyal to DD in OOP – well for the most part 
anyways, but yeah, I hated him by then. I suppose, yes him being a 
teacher like that is the primary reason – not that I liked him being 
DE, but I thought he changed.

Comes HBP, here comes Snape killing DD. That crossed out everything 
for me including Snape's loyalty and I hated him even more.

And I hated, hated, hated upon reread to realize that Snape treated 
this way the boy whose life he himself helped to shape.

To me this was not how remorseful person acts and since I am 
perfectly satisfied that Snape hated Harry as person till very end 
(when he replies to DD question and I take JKR statement as support 
too), I cannot forgive Snape, because I do not believe he changed in 
his view of Harry, even if he did not want Harry dead.

I do like Harry though even more because he did.  No matter how brave 
Snape was in helping to defeat world against Voldemort.

So, that's me. I think in a nutshell, if you find any contradictions 
with my earlier posts, please keep in mind that it is caused my 
tendency to ramble, nothing more.

 
> -- JudySerenity, whose affection for Snape seems to grow the more 
> that people here criticize him. (The poor guy!)

Alla:

Heeeee.