Elder Wand mastery (was Re: need help for all of my confuse!)

[allies426]

No: HPFGUIDX 175757

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "urghiggi" <urghiggi at ...> 
wrote:
>
> The only way I can logically make this work is this sequence:
> 
> 1) Gregorovich had the wand and presumably was a legit 'master'. 
> 2) Grindelwald stole it and thought he was 'master' but was not, 
due to the fact that he 
> had stolen the wand (apparently not constituting "defeat" of a 
definitive enough type).
> 3) Dumbledore bested Grindelwald in a duel and won the mastery of 
the wand. The wand 
> by definition is 'unbeatable' in the hands of the true master. 
Ergo, 'theft' cannot constitute 
> legit mastery, or Grindelwald would have been the 'master' and 
Dumbledore would not 
> have been able to defeat him. 
> 4) Draco disarmed Dumbledore because Dumbledore did not fight (if 
he'd chosen or been 
> able to fight, he'd have had to win, yes?) Draco did not have 
possession but was still by 
> rights 'master' of the wand.
> 5) Harry bested Draco by physical overpowerment and took 
possession of Draco's 'regular' 
> wand. Somehow this defeat also 'registered' with the Elder wand in 
DD's tomb. (here's 
> where it all gets pretty goofy, imo.)
> 6) LV stole the wand from Dumbledore's tomb and thought it made 
him the master. But 
> noooooo, because a) he'd gotten the wand by theft and also b) 
Harry was at this point the 
> master of the wand.
> 7)LV thinks the Elder Wand isn't as juiced-up as it ought to be, 
according to its reputation, 
> though why he thinks this is somewhat unclear ("The Elder Wand," 
page 656-57). He 
> concludes that Snape is the true master, the "wizard who killed 
its last owner." He kills 
> snape with the snake to supposedly ensure his mastery of the wand.
> 7) LV and Harry duel, casting curses simultaneously. "Harry saw 
Voldemort's green jet 
> meet his own spell, saw the Elder Wand fly high, dark against the 
sunrise, spinning across 
> the enchanted ceiling like the head of Nagini, spinning through 
the air toward THE 
> MASTER IT WOULD NOT KILL, who had come to take full possession of 
it at last." (DH 
> scholastic p 743-44, ALLCAPS mine)
> 

Allie:

Regarding Step 5, where it all gets goofy - somehow the Elder Wand 
KNEW that Harry overpowered Draco and it became loyal to Harry, 
despite the fact that neither Harry nor Draco ever touched the Elder 
wand.

Someone on the list suggested that the Elder Wand actually 
recognized **Draco's wand**, which Harry was using in the final 
duel, as the last wand to defeat it.  Thus, the owner of the last 
wand to defeat it must be its new, true master.  Whether the 
intended truth or not, it makes more sense to me.  :)