Elder Wand mastery (was Re: need help for all of my confuse!)

[doddiemoemoe]

No: HPFGUIDX 175785

massive snip for space purposes:
 Allie wrote:
> 
> Regarding Step 5, where it all gets goofy - somehow the Elder Wand 
> KNEW that Harry overpowered Draco and it became loyal to Harry, 
> despite the fact that neither Harry nor Draco ever touched the Elder 
> wand.
> 
> Someone on the list suggested that the Elder Wand actually 
> recognized **Draco's wand**, which Harry was using in the final 
> duel, as the last wand to defeat it.  Thus, the owner of the last 
> wand to defeat it must be its new, true master.  Whether the 
> intended truth or not, it makes more sense to me.  :)

Remember: wands choose their owner....

I'm sure that Harry dropping that ring in the forrest may have had a 
great deal towards procuring the elderwand...(have to go back into the 
fairy tale...)  Harry wants to save the ww...not 'survive at any 
cost'...I got the "feeling" that after the "colin creevy" incident 
harry may have felt, "no more"...

One has to look back upon what we know of the elder wand....and 
how "death" may have encouraged/ or nudged said brothers upon its 
creation...(Voldemort spent his entire life to flee death(much like 
the brothers may or may not have wanted to do...perhaps the wand may 
not have worked with voldemort because the wand knew that Voldie could 
defeat death w/o it...(by creating another horcrux---uh-oh see what 
happens when one rips their soul to shreds committing murder?)  Not 
only that but perhaps there was not enough soul left in Voldie for a 
wand to recognize?(most likely explanation but not neccessarily true), 
hence, I think the elder wand chose harry, he who dropped the ring, is 
not afraid of death, would never create a horcrux in a million years, 
yet still mourns all those his misses but would not destroy himself to 
meet them again.(like DD did when he immediately tried on that damned 
ring)..

I suppose Harry with his guilt about the deaths his life alone had 
caused w/o his actions...and then the deaths, his actions caused may 
or may not have made a difference to the wand's loyalty. Harry still 
feels responsible as an individual..Voldemort believes only the Wand 
can do it..**shaking head**)... We do atleast know before said 
battle...that even if Harry was wrong and had died (hence the long 
speech) I don't think it would matter what wand Voldemort would have 
had..that speech needed to be there for Neville, Ron and Hermione...
(and probably everyone else in the great hall direclty  aiming a AK at 
Voldie..) I may be wrong but I think that the surrounding throng may 
have been more beneficial to Harry rather than Voldemort.

Even if we delve into the "folklore" we have to accept that "death" is 
in the wings for us all(even voldie) and Harry learned, even for 
himself...and who would death take---the one who had tried to escape 
him at least seven times over by creating seven--and mistakenly eight 
horcruxes, or him who had faced him seven and inadvertently eight 
times to protect others? Seeing as the deathly hallows were approached 
by honest, yet selfish means they were born of a belief that death 
could be beaten...it cannot...and if it can...then we are no longer 
human..so perhaps the elder wand identifies with those most 
human...those who know they are destined to die anyhow? Like Harry? 
Like those willing to sacrifice themselves for others? Like Harry?

I could be wrong...but I think that Voldie ordering Nagini to kill 
Snape speaks volumes...towards Voldie being a clueless git.

Doddie,
(who still wonders why on earth would Filch be bandaging Snape's 
wounds in SS/PS.)


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