Dumbledore lied to Harry... AGES ago.

[Beatrice23]

No: HPFGUIDX 175827

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> 
wrote:
>
>  "Zara" <zgirnius@> wrote:
> 
> > The easiest way for Snape to overcome
> > this obstacle, would be to provide 
> > Harry the memory in which Dumbledore
> > told him about it. 
>  
>Eggplant:  Easiest? So rather than simply hand over a bottle of his 
own memories
> to Snape to give to Harry at the proper time Dumbledore proceeded to
> lie to Snape for years because he figured Harry would someday 
stumble
> upon the man seconds before his death and Snape would agree to give
> Harry all his memories. It seems to me people are going through some
> pretty wild contortions to avoid the simple fact that Dumbledore had
> raised Harry for 17 years so he could be slaughtered like a pig. 
And I
> don't see why you even want to turn him into another routine 100% 
good
> guy when it would be much more interesting if Dumbledore loved Harry
> and wished there was a way to avoid his death but couldn't think of
> one. Generals in a time of war do things like that all the time for
> the greater good.

Beatrice: I think that DD does love Harry and KNOWS that there is a 
way to avoid Harry's death.  DD tells Snape that Harry must die and 
lets Snape and for a brief period Harry believe that he is to be 
slaughtered, because Harry NEEDS to believe this inorder for DD's 
plan to work.  Harry has to willingly sacrifice himself.  It is 
Harry's willing sacrifice like his mother's that provides the most 
powerful protection.
> 
>Zara:  > If Harry allowed Voldemort to AK him, 
> > Voldemort would still be alive in the
> > crucial moment when the AK hit Harry 
> 
> Eggplant: Voldemort was injured in that attack, besides destroying 
the Horcrux
> inside Harry Voldemort was knocked unconscious for just as long as
> Harry was. The reason Voldemort was just injured and not killed in 
the
> attack is that he still had one Horcrux left, the snake; and the
> reason Harry was just injured and not killed is because Voldemort 
was
> still alive. If the snake had been dead as Dumbledore expected that
> encounter would have produced very different results.

Beatrice: This is a good point, but I think that there are two 
possibilities here that haven't been considered.  First, DD is very 
explicit with Snape: Harry must learn this information when LV "seems 
to fear for the life of his snake."  DD probably guessed that LV 
would discover Harry's horcrux hunt and would take precautions to 
protect his snake as it is the one horcrux he keeps close to him.  
Therefore DD probably guessed that Harry could not get to the snake 
without encountering LV first.  So I think that DD knows that the 
protections on the snake won't be lifted until LV thinks that Harry 
is dead.  So Dumbledore reasonably assumes that the Snake will still 
be alive after Harry sacrifices himself to LV.  Second, I don't think 
that LV would have died in killing Harry.  I think he was 
injured/knocked unconscious, because he destroyed his own horcrux.  
We know from DD discussion with Harry in King's Cross that the soul 
fragment in Harry wants desperately to live, because it is part of LV 
and that is LV's desire also.  Therefore the horcrux actually defends 
itself and Harry when Harry excapes from Privet drive.  I think 
therefore that we can conclude that LV's unintentional destruction of 
his own horcrux has consequences for LV's body as well as his last 
fragment of soul.  I think that LV would have survived this encounter 
even if the snake had died (although if he wouldn't, I would accept 
that too, because of DD's instructions to Snape regarding when Harry 
needed to be given Snape's info.).  The destruction of this horcrux 
hurt LV in a way that the destruction of the others did not simply 
because LV destroyed it himself and the consequences of murdering a 
part of himself caused him some harm, but would not necessarily have 
been fatal.

Beatrice