Dumbledore Disgusted (was: Snape's Request gave Harry a second chance?)

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No: HPFGUIDX 175861

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Judy" <judy at ...> wrote:
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> 
> 
> Leah said:
> > On a somewhat related topic, I remain puzzled by the fact that 
DD 
> > let Snape loose with the prophecy.  Before HBP, my opinion was 
that 
> > DD could not have known he was overheard on the night in 
question, 
> > that the eavesdropper had been thrown out purely as an 
undesirable 
> > by someone who didn't query further and that DD was only 
informed 
> > of the overhearing later by, most likely, Snape.  
> > That went by the board after HBP.  
> > So why let Snape out into the night with a 
> > prophecy that DD had had no chance to mull over. Would DD really 
> > want to let a DE go with a piece of information that was 
> > interesting to put it at its mildest?
> > And what responsibiliy does DD bear as a 
> > consequence for the deaths of James and Lily.
> 
> I was just thinking about this yesterday, and I believe it is yet 
> another of JKR's inconsistencies.
> 
> In OoP, Dumbledore says the Prophecy was overheard, but the 
> eavesdropper was detected partway into the Prophecy and thrown 
from 
> the building. The way I pictured it, Aberforth threw Snape out 
> halfway through the Prophecy, and Snape went straightaway to 
> Voldemort. Aberforth then told Albus about the eavesdropping after 
> the Prophecy had been completed, either naming Snape as the 
> eavesdropper, or describing him so that Albus knew who it was. 
(Which 
> would have been easy, since  Albus was expecting Snape to be there 
> for a job interview.) Reviewing his memories in the Pensieve could 
> have told Albus exactly how much had been overheard, since he 
might 
> have been able to hear Aberforth confronting Snape. 
> 
> In HBP, though, we learn that Trelawney was aware of Snape's 
> eavesdropping, and that she knew Albus was aware of it as well. 
Since 
> she was in a trance during the Prophecy itself, that seems to 
imply a 
> confrontation between Albus and Snape, in Trelawney's presence, 
> immediately after the Prophecy had been told. In that case, why 
> doesn't Albus wipe Snape's memories? 
> 
> The only answer I can think of here is the one Potioncat 
suggested, 
> that Dumbledore deliberately let Snape go, presumably so that 
> Voldemort would go after the Potters and cause the Prophecy to 
take 
> effect. Still, even if Dumbledore were cold and calculating enough 
> that he would want Voldemort to target the Potters, how would 
> Dumbledore know that Voldemort would end up with his own curse 
> rebounding on him? The whole thing about Trelawney *knowing* that 
> Snape heard the Prophecy seems like a plothole to me. 

Mim:

Dumbledore didn't know exactly how the Prophecy would work but he 
wanted Voldemort to act and go after that baby who had powers that 
he didn't know. Otherwise he could have stopped Snape. It appears to 
me that at that point Dumbledore had been running out of ideas so 
the thought of this newborn saviour who the Dark Lord would mark as 
his equal and who would have extraordinary powers, was actually 
needed.

Perhaps the Potters were never meant to survive.

I've been going WTF ever since reading in HBP that Trelawney was 
aware of Snape's interruption. I'll guess that even though in a 
trance she retained some awareness of what was going on (doubtful) 
or that someone later told her about what had happened.