Dumbledore Disgusted (was: Snape's Request gave Harry a second chance?)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 175873

> Ceridwen:
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> Teens of under sixteen years of age, or just at sixteen, have been 
> harshly condemned in the Potterverse for going against the ethical 
> rules.  Marietta is condemned to permanent scarring (per JKR 
> interview, recent) because she betrayed the DA.  Never mind that, 
to 
> remain loyal to them, she would have to choose between them and her 
> mother.  She was a traitor either way, and once she went to that 
> first meeting, where the DA was misrepresented to her, she had no 
> choice but to be a traitor.  Draco at fourteen is turned into a 
> ferret and bounced off the floor from a great height, which, though 
> McGonagall admonishes Crouch!Moody, is presented as something to 
> laugh about.  Montague spends a while in the Vanishing Cabinet 
> courtesy of the twins, and a longer time in the hospital wing, for 
> trying to take points.  Nothing is done.  So I would put Lily at 
> sixteen at the same moral place as everyone else in the series is 
> supposed to be.  She definitely shut the door against Snape without 
> giving him a chance.  She is culpable, according to what we have 
seen 
> of others of nearly the same age.
> 
> (me being bitter) But, she's one of the Elect, the future mother of 
> the Chosen One.  She can get away with it.  Never mind that she got 
> an apology, never mind that Dumbledore is held up as being somehow 
> saintly for offering second chances, she can shut the door and have 
> no repercussions.  <SNIP>
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Alla:

Sure if Lily had something to answer for, I would agree that 
characters in Potterverse at sixteen are held to it. But Lily is 
culpable? I find it truly mind boggling.

The girl at whom Snape threw the worst insult in WW, girl who was 
making excuses for him for years, just had enough.

In my view she is not giving Snape not second chance here, but 
probably tenth or twentieth.

**She** is culpable? Even if she did not give Snape just a second 
chance, since when it is a reason to hold character culpable?

I cannot help but having RL metaphors again. Trust me, if somebody 
called me what I consider to be the RL metaphor of that name and 
while apologising to me continued to think that it is okay to call 
other jewish people that name, there would be slamming of the door 
for sure.

Why? Because I would realise what an idiot I had been and this person 
while considering me to be **the good jew** would still think that 
all other people of my descent are beneath him.

I would run for my life from such a person. I give a lot of credit to 
Lily for sticking with Snape for so long.

She must have really liked him as a friend, if she was willing to 
ignore that for so long IMO.


> > Alla:
> > 
> > Can we have some canon for Dumbledore **could have** stopped 
Snape?
> >
> 
> Mim:
> 
> from HBP:
> 
> (Trelawney)
> 
> 'Yes, there was a commotion outside the door and it flew open, and 
> there was that rather uncouth barman standing with Snape, who was 
> waffling about having come the wrong way up the stairs, although 
I'm 
> afraid that I myself rather thought he had been apprehended 
> eavesdropping on my interview with Dumbledore
> 
> He was apprehended eavesdropping. Aberforth (I'm guessing) is 
pretty 
> much holding him by the scruff of his neck here. Dumbledore could 
do 
> what he wanted with him but chose to let him go.
>

Alla:

Thank you, but this part I remember. I do not see how it follows from 
Aberforth holding him to Dumbledore could do whatever he wanted and 
chose to let him go. 

For example Snape nonverbally hexed Aberforth and run for his life 
and yeah, Dumbledore could not stop him. As we saw Dumbledore can get 
hurt in the battle. IMO of course.