The Fundamental Message.../ Heroes...

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No: HPFGUIDX 176353

> Betsy Hp:
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> Yes, Harry liked life.  And chapter 34 pointed that out (though 
I'll 
> say Jack London did it better <eg>).  But it didn't show Harry come 
> to a conclusion, it showed Harry accepting what his mentor and his 
> loved ones have told him to do.
> 
> I know this won't change your mind at all, Alla. That's not what 
I'm 
> trying to do.  I'm just showing how this entire scene played more 
as 
> a glorification of suicide to me, than a hero doing what was 
> necessary.  Obviously, YMMV.  Frankly, I was just gratified someone 
> agreed with me.  Thought I was maybe a little crazy for a second or 
> two there. <bg>
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Alla:

Of course you won't change my mind on this one, just as I will not 
change yours and I am not going for it either.

I am accepting in good faith that you think that this chapter showed 
the glorification of suicide, rather than heroic sacrifice? I mean, I 
do not think you are just saying it to make a debate? This is truly 
your reading, etc.

And **this** is my problem. I mean, not problem, problem, problem is 
that I do not **see** it anywhere in the book.

I mean, you know me, in 99.9% I am accepting that canon can be read 
and interpreted multiple ways. Here, I see Harry's thoughts and 
motivations in clear and inambiguous language and yes, I am at loss 
indeed.

For example, you keep saying that chapter 34 did not show Harry 
coming to a conclusion that plan is good and necessary to save lives. 
I am not going to recite the part that Zara recited again. I am just 
going to ask you **how** it can be read other than Harry coming to a 
conclusion?

What is an alternate reading of that paragraph Betsy? Show me, 
explain to me how that paragraph can be read another way?

My only wish here is to understand how you arrived at your reading, 
because YES I am having a feeling that we are reading books written 
in different languages or at least that chapter 34 is written in 
different language.

And I am not being sarcastic or anything like that.

Show me where do you see glorification of the suicide. Where is Harry 
deciding to die is **glorified**? Where does it say that Harry is 
going to commit suicide, instead of sacrifice himself to save lifes?


JMO,

Alla