The two good Slytherins

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 176417

>  Magpie wrote:
> > The "Good" Slytherins:
> *big snip as I just have one character to discuss*
>  
> > Narcissa Malfoy--DE-supporter who made a bold move to save her 
son 
> > (had Draco been dead, she would not have lied about Harry--tried 
> to send Harry to Voldemort earlier). Her agenda coincided with 
that 
> of the good side at a crucial moment.
> 
> *big snip again*
> 
> Doddie here:
> 
> If Harry/McConogal are to be forgiven for their casting of 
> unforgivables...then why not Narcissa for saying, "that's Harry 
> &co."...Her son did not...Draco kept her in check in this 
> instance..and although we like to believe that Cissy would do 
> anything to keep her family safe...she still refuses the dark 
mark, 
> and better yet after all these years has not asked for one.


Magpie:
I didn't say anything about not "forgiving" her or not (nor am I 
talking about Harry or McGonagall). I'm just describing the 
character, and it seems odd to list her under "good" because of what 
she did. I also don't quite get what connection you're making in the 
last sentence--she'd do anything to keep her family safe but hasn't 
taken the Dark Mark? Meaning that by not asking to be marked she's 
not doing all she can to keep her family safe? It doesn't seem like 
that big of a deal to me either way.

Kemper now:
I disagree with your view of Narcissa's agenda. Mostly.

My understanding is that you are saying her agenda is to make sure 
her son is alive and then:
a: if alive, make sure he stays that way (allowing Harry to continue
fighting Voldie), or
b: if dead, hand Harry over to Voldie

'a' allows hope for Narcissa, but 'b' allows no gain for her that's
real for her character. She could careless about Voldie's good
graces. But she is obviously a protective and vengful woman, see her
threats to Harry and Co. at Madam Malkin's Robes for All Occasions.

Magpie:
Where are you getting that she "couldn't care less about Voldie's 
good graces?" She was eager to get back into them in the Malfoy 
Manor chapter, and those good graces are a way of protecting her 
family. It seems like JKR is very clear with the Malfoys in what 
she's trying to say about them, and saying that they are moving away 
from Voldemort *to the point where they're working against him* is 
more than I read (in fact she seems to keep making sure *not* to say 
that). Harry himself even thinks when she asks about Draco how she 
wants to get to him inside the school and can at the head of a 
victorious army or something like that. 

Draco is the most miserable living under Voldemort as a DE, and his 
parents care more about him than they care about the Dark Lord. 
Narcissa went to Snape for the same reason, to protect Draco. Had 
Draco died she might have wanted vengeance against Voldemort, sure, 
and feel she had nothing left to lose. I still wouldn't consider 
that making her "good." 

-m