[HPforGrownups] Re: The two good Slytherins

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 176420

>  Kemper now:
>  I disagree with your view of Narcissa's agenda. Mostly.
>
>  My understanding is that you are saying her agenda is to make sure
>  her son is alive and then:
>  a: if alive, make sure he stays that way (allowing Harry to continue
>  fighting Voldie), or
>  b: if dead, hand Harry over to Voldie
>
>  'a' allows hope for Narcissa, but 'b' allows no gain for her that's
>  real for her character. She could careless about Voldie's good
>  graces. But she is obviously a protective and vengful woman, see her
>  threats to Harry and Co. at Madam Malkin's Robes for All Occasions.
>
>  Magpie:
>  Where are you getting that she "couldn't care less about Voldie's
>  good graces?" She was eager to get back into them in the Malfoy
>  Manor chapter, and those good graces are a way of protecting her
>  family. It seems like JKR is very clear with the Malfoys in what
>  she's trying to say about them, and saying that they are moving away
>  from Voldemort *to the point where they're working against him* is
>  more than I read (in fact she seems to keep making sure *not* to say
>  that). Harry himself even thinks when she asks about Draco how she
>  wants to get to him inside the school and can at the head of a
>  victorious army or something like that.

Kemper now:
I can see where you were under the impression that I believed Narcissa
was working against Voldemort.  I meant moving away even though she is
not moving against Voldemort.

>  M
>  Draco is the most miserable living under Voldemort as a DE, and his
>  parents care more about him than they care about the Dark Lord.
>  Narcissa went to Snape for the same reason, to protect Draco. Had
>  Draco died she might have wanted vengeance against Voldemort, sure,
>  and feel she had nothing left to lose. I still wouldn't consider
>  that making her "good."

Kemper now:
I did not claim that it made her 'good'.  My claim is that she would
have kept Harry's life a secret from Voldemort regardless to whether
Draco was alive or not.