Whom did Dumbledore torture and killed? WAS: Re: re:Scrimgeour/WerewolfBites

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 179737

> Catlady:
<SNIP>
> I feel sure that Rowling intended the latter, or else she would 
have 
> had DD confess in the 'King's Cross' scene.
> 
> lizzyben: 
> 
> Oh, but he does confess:
> 
> "Master of Death, Harry, master of Death! Was I better, 
ultimately, 
> than Voldemort?"
> "Of course you were," said Harry. "You never killed if you could 
> avoid it!"
> "True, true," said Dumbledore, and he was like a child seeking 
> reassurance. (DH)
> 
> I think that's as close to a confession as we'll ever get from 
> Dumbledore for anything. Harry's ringing endorsement (you only 
> killed people when you had to!) actually *reassures* Dumbledore. 
> When he says, "true, true", he's admitting that he's killed people 
> in the past, & accepting Harry's reassurance that it was all done 
> for the greater good. <SNIP>

Alla:

You never killed if you could avoid it can also mean that he never 
killed, period, no? As in you never killed, because you could avoid 
it?

And Harry's endorsement can also mean that Dumbledore never killed, 
no?

This is how I read it anyways.

Lizzyben:
<SNIP>
 That's a whole lot more than Ariana; DD's been 
> responsible for the deaths of many people & he knows it. I think 
> Morfin & Hokey are among that number - charitably, DD may have 
felt 
> that he could not avoid their deaths, because it was essential to  
> obtain their hidden memories in order to find the Horcruxes. JKR 
has 
> stated that DD has been pulling many strings thoughout the entire 
> story & IMO this is one example of that. <SNIP>

Alla:

Dumbledore tortured and killed many people? Since you put Morfin and 
Hokey among that number, I guess that means that he killed many 
other people? Not that I agree that he killed Morfin and Hokey, but 
I certainly want to ask whom else he tortured and killed?