CHAPDISC: DH10, Kreacher's Tale

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 180116

> a_svirn:
> Is that what you usually mean when you say that X treats Y with 
> respect? That X refrain from despising Y for something Y can't help? 
> I'd say it is somewhat convoluted. 
> 
> Also, the Longbottoms, as far as we could see *are* treated with 
> respect. No one owns them, makes fun of them or uses them. 

Pippin:
I'm saying it's not disrespectful of the Longbottoms to deprive 
them of rights they can't use and which would endanger them.
As you say, the Longbottoms are treated with respect,
though not by Draco who makes fun of mentally incapacitated people.


It doesn't mean much to say the Longbottoms aren't "owned." 
They are not free to leave St Mungo's or to make decisions about
their care. 

I don't think it's "using" Kreacher to *ask* him to perform tasks 
which are within his ability and make him feel useful. It might be
more harmful to him to refuse to give him any work. 


> a_svirn:
> Was Lot a repentant sinner then? There was that dubious business with 
> his daughters, but it happened after he left Sodom, and I am not sure 
> he repented anyway. 
> 

Pippin:
I was thinking of repentant sinners like King David (adultery), Moses
(murder), Jonah (refusing to carry God's word to Ninevah) and Paul 
(persecuting followers of Jesus). 

Lot, IMO, wasn't saved because he was repentant but because he was 
Abraham's nephew and because he did try to save his guests from 
the citizens of Sodom (though by the hardly admirable expedient
of offering his daughers instead.) 

> a_svirn:
> There is a big difference between considering hating all Slytherins 
> as a duty and really hating them. Harry only really hated or 
> distrusted people for personal reasons, not because of any principle.
>

Pippin:
This is way too convoluted for me. Do you see canon making any
distinctions between hating people and "really" hating them?

Pippin