Dumbledore and Harry WAS: Re: Christian Forgiveness and Snape

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No: HPFGUIDX 164448

> Magpie:
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 I think his "weak 
> and foolish" confession is what he'd *like* to say his flaws are, 
> not what they really are (at least not the way he's presenting the 
> weakness as foolishness). That's the thing about his not having any 
> equals in canon. With other characters there's always somebody else 
> there giving another view. With Dumbledore the opposite view comes 
> from bad guys who are beneath him. 

Alla:

YES, yes, me too :)

 
Magpie:
> I'm not furious on Harry's behalf that Dumbledore dares criticize 
> Sirius to him because Harry needs him to be perfect, and it would 
be 
> very out of character for Harry to think about Dumbledore's words 
> the way I do; he just doesn't think the way I do most of the time. 

Alla:

Oh, could you clarify that part, please? As I said many times this 
part I find one of the most despicable parts of Dumbledore's speech. 
And **not** because he criticises Sirius, but because he criticised 
the man, who just died and the man whom Harry loved.
Are you saying that you are Okay with that part of his speech?
Or are you saying that you are not okay even if Harry is?

 
>> > Pippin:
> > I agree with you about the issue. But it's a relevant issue, 
> because
> > the responsibility for seeing that Harry doesn't receive the 
> pampered 
> > prince treatment is now no longer  in Dumbledore's hands. Now
> > that Harry knows he's the Chosen One, he could demand to be
> > treated as such. Heck, he could threaten the Dursleys into it.
> > And it still wouldn't be good for him.
> 
> Magpie:
> This is one of the things I actually never get about the whole idea 
> that Harry knowing about his fame would put him in danger of this 
> kind of arrogance. Because the Dursleys' type upbringing holds just 
> as much if not more danger for the same thing. If a kid grows up 
> despised, and then suddenly finds out he's the Savior of the World, 
> he would potentially be much more vulnerable to having his head 
> turned by going from one extreme to another because his self-esteem 
> is already screwed up. My instinct if somebody was asking me what I 
> thought would be the best way would be to have the kid raised by 
> people who didn't treat him special, but cared about him. 
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Alla:

Magpie, we are on the same page again, yes. But what I do not get is 
not only the argument that Dumbledore somehow gets a right of telling 
Harry about the dangers of being extremely pampered, after he stuck 
the kid with Dursleys, but also where exactly are the dangers for 
Harry to be pampered now?

Suddenly after sixteen years Dursleys would start pampering him?

I doubt it.

IMHO

Alla