A Theory On Dumbledore's "Gleam of Triumph"

[Kaz]

No: HPFGUIDX 165116

Carol:
<snipping>
> That he killed his father for revenge, not to split his soul to
> create a soul bit to encase in a Horcrux is made clear by Voldemort
> himself, who tells Harry, <snip> . . . He didn't like magic, my
> father. He left her and returned to his Muggle parents before I was
> even born, Potter, and she died giving birth to me, leaving me to
> be raised in a Muggle orphanage . . . but I vowed to find him . . .
> I revenged myself upon him, that fool who gave me his name, *Tom
> Riddle*" (GoF Am. ed. 646, ellipses and italics in original).

Kaz:
Thanks Carol and yep, I stand corrected, my timeline was a little
off....I am still not convinced that it was vengeance in an
understandable form though....perhaps just avenging what LV saw as a
slight towards his greatness?

Carol:
> All that aside, I agree with you that Voldemort is obsessed with
> obtaining power and immortality, but not that he's incapable of
> *any* human emotion. We've seen him feeling anger since SS/PS. He
> feels happiness, causing Harry's scar to hurt just as much as it
> does when LV feels anger, in OoP when he hears some good news
> (IIRC, a way to use Harry to get to the Prophecy). And we see his
> desire for revenge against Lucius Malfoy via Draco in HBP.  The
> desire to murder the father who deserted his mother, leaving her to
> die and Tom himself to be raised in a Muggle orphanage.

Kaz:
Again does he actually say that his desire is to kill the man who
deserted his mother? Its more like a desire to eradicate anything
which would link him to an unextrodinary existence....or, perhaps as
simple as destroying the muggle connection to himself?

> Kaz:
> He sees the ability to feel as a human weakness that deserves
> either to be destroyed or, as is more often the case, not even
> worthy of this- just an obvious failing to be exploited, mocked or
> derided.

> It was because of this that he underestimated the power of love and
> because he still has not allowed himself to feel and therefore
> understand emotions then he is continuing to make that same mistake.

> Carol:
> As I said before, he can feel anger, hatred, a desire for revenge,
> even a perverted kind of happiness or triumph. But he can't feel
> love, pity, compassion--the gentler emotions that make us human.
> It's those emotions, not emotions in general, that he regards as
> weak, IMO.  He's a sociopath with the face of a snake, but he's not
> a robot.


Kaz:
Very true Carol, perhaps I should have been more specific....he
feels only the darker side of emotion, the very thing that we, as
human beings, usually do not encourage within ourselves or others,
except in relitavely instinctive small amounts (envy is certainly
one of the more frequent ones). It's the extent to which he displays
the nastier emotions, and even manages to twist the apparent nicer
ones into something hideous that makes me believe it will lead to
his downfall. I stand corrected though, it isn't as black and white
as LV having NO emotion whatsoever.


> Kaz:
<snipped canon>
> Why would LV, who has only shown contempt for emotions thus far,
> be suddenly afraid or incapable of dealing with them? Surely the LV
> of the past would have exploited Harry's pain, seized on the chance
> of fulfilling Harry's wish to die?
>
> My theory is that, on experiencing Harry's anguish of losing
> Sirius, LV suddenly felt guilt and remorse....now THAT would scare
> him wouldn't it? <snip>

> Carol responds:
> I don't think that LV feels regret or fear when Harry feels a
> burst of love for Sirius. I think he feels pain, physical pain much
> like what Harry had been experiencing. And for that reason, I think
> that Harry will defeat him by forcing him to feel the pain of Love,
> either by possessing him or forcing him to enter the room with the
> locked door.

Kaz:
Hmmmm perhaps, that could certainly be possible I agree, but the
question remains that even if LV felt pain why was that the case?
He's already demonstrated that he is able to touch Harry once he had
regenerated using his blood, hence eliminating that pesky love
protection barrier, so why then would he be subjected to pain when
Harry's heart filled with emotion?

> Carol, pretty sure that Voldemort represents pure evil, the
> absence of good (in contrast to Snape and Draco, in whom enough
> good remains to make their redemption both possible and probable)


Kaz - who absloutely agrees with Carol about Snape and Draco and is
going crazy counting down the days to find out their fate!