Bathroom Scene - A Different Perspective

horridporrid03 horridporrid03 at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 19 01:53:35 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 165160

> >>Alla:
> Yeah, and I keep asking for some support of Harry wanting to hurt 
> Draco rather than to stop him :)

Betsy Hp:
Support one: Harry *does* hurt Draco, nearly kills him.  Support two: 
Harry *never* uses the "he was going to *Crucio* me!" excuse.  So 
pure self-defense doesn't seem to have been on his mind.  In fact, 
most of what he says (or tries to say) is more along the lines of "I 
didn't mean to!".  So there you are. :)
 
> >>Betsy: 
> > <snip>  Yes, Draco starts the fight, but Harry engages.  He's    
> > standing in a doorway; he could have easily exited back through   
> > it.  But his instinct is to stand and fight.

> >>Alla:
> He could leave? When? In a second when the lamp was exploding      
> behind him? 
> "Malfoy wheeled around, drawing his wand. Instinctively, Harry      
> pulled out his own."

Betsy Hp:
There is the moment.  Draco draws his wand, Harry runs away.  That's 
how Harry could have left.  But it's not really in Harry's nature, so 
he draws his own wand and engages.

I'm not, by the way, saying Harry was a horrible person for staying.  
It would have taken someone of a very different (*much* more 
practical) nature to have fled the scene.  But by staying Harry plays 
a part.

> >>Alla:
> Well, where? Where does it say that Harry wants Draco to hurt just 
> for the sake of hurting him?
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
It doesn't.  But it's not like Harry misses an opportunity.  Draco 
and Harry do have a history, one that includes Harry hurting Draco. 
(Which is why, I'm sure, the staff don't question the whys and 
wherefores.  This is nothing new.)  Just as Draco is interested in 
making Harry suffer, Harry is interested in seeing Draco suffer.  
They both pull spells for enemies as taught to them by their mentors.
 
> >>Betsy: 
> > Of course Harry doesn't mean for Draco to get ripped open.  But I 
> > do think he meant for Draco to experience some sort of pain.
> > <snip>

> >>Alla:
> I agree. He probably meant for Draco to experience the sort of pain 
> that would stop him from completing that Crucio. I do not see any 
> evidence in that scene that Harry meant for Draco to experience any 
> sort of pain beyond that.

Betsy Hp:
If Harry *just* wanted to stop Draco, he'd have used a familiar 
defensive spell.  Instead he goes for the "enemies" spell.  Part of 
it was to use as a counter, I agree.  But part of him must have 
wanted Draco to suffer as an enemy should suffer.  Otherwise, why the 
guilt?  Why not point out the self-defense reason?

Betsy Hp





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