Bathroom Scene - A Different Perspective

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 165173

>> > >>Alla:
> > <snip>
> > See, just as Mike does I am **very** glad that Harry feels 
guilty, I
> > am just not sure how that translates the scene in something else.
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> The scene is what it is.  The attempt to make it *all* about self-
> defense is more, IMO, attempting to make the scene be about 
something 
> else.  Yes, Harry is definitely defending himself against Draco's 
> aggression.  But Harry is being aggressive himself (not all of the 
> broken fixtures are caused by Draco's wand).  And it's Harry's 
> aggressiveness that nearly kills Draco.  Harry, at least, 
recognizes 
> that.  Which is why, IMO, you don't hear Harry make the self-
defense 
> argument.

Alla:

Before Harry used Sectusemptra, he used leg locker and levicorpus, I 
think he could not be any less agressive. IMO of course. 

But as I had been saying, I do not have a problem with acknowledging 
that Harry was agressive towards Draco, but only in response to what 
he 
did.

But hey, if you are saying that the scene is **not** completely about 
self-defense, at least I can understand completely what you are 
saying 
and where you are coming from. I disagree very strongly but I 
understand your POV, so I can easily say **till later round** :)

See, the problem I had been having in earlier arguments with Magpie ( 
and it is totally my problem) is that I had been getting an 
impression 
that she was saying that it is self defense and not self defense at 
the 
same time. I had been struggling to understand how person can defend 
himself and had an intent to hurt. That is what I am struggling with. 
because in my head the person who is defending himself by definition 
does nothing more than **defends** himself.

If you are saying that Harry is the same agressor here as Draco, I do 
not buy it, but at least I see it as consistent with how you describe 
a 
scene.

Thanks :)

Alla