[HPforGrownups] Re: Voldermort learning the prophecy?

[Jeremiah LaFleur]

No: HPFGUIDX 165206

Jen:
> So...what's up for the prophecy in DH?
>
> I was a little surprised when Voldemort gave up on figuring it out
> in HBP. Given Voldemort's obsessive nature and utter belief in the
> prophecy, I'm guessing he will seek it out again in the belief
> there's something about why Harry thwarts him at every turn. At
> least I think that's what JKR is going for, that even though Harry
> continues to escape Voldemort by love LV underestimates that power
> and therefore will continue to believe there's more to Harry.

SSSusan:
Right. That *was* weird that, after all his efforts in OotP, he just
then gave up on it. We knew that DD figured Voldy would stop going
at it the *way* he had in that year, by boring into Harry's thoughts
via their mind connection, but why didn't he seem to be working on it
in at all HBP?
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Jen:
> Since Voldemort knows Trelawney is the Seer in question you'd think
> he would make an *attempt* to get to her (unless he knows something
> we don't, i.e., you can't magically get something from a person who
> channelled information she doesn't remember). Even if she wasn't
> kidnapped out of the Vanishing Cabinent the tower night, it makes
> sense to me LV turned his focus to removing Dumbledore first in
> order to clear the way to Harry and possibly Trelawney (and who
> knows, maybe a Horcrux hidden at Hogwarts?).

SSSusan:
Okay, then maybe it wasn't stupidity. :) Maybe Voldemort *has* had a
plan to get to the prophecy via Trelawney, but he just wanted to get
DD out of the way first. That would be a good plan!

I'm not sure quite WHY I don't think we're going to see a return to
his quest to get his hands on the prophecy, but I just don't "feel"
it coming. (Not that that means much that *I'm* not feeling a
premonition, heh.) Maybe it's just the way JKR dropped the whole
thing for the entire 6th book? Maybe it's that I can't imagine how
he wouldn't figure it all out (that it's about Love) if he does hear
it. Maybe it's that we have -- JKR has caused us to -- switched our
focus towards those horcruxes and wondering so much about how that's
all going to play out.

But it would certainly be interesting if Voldy has been working on a
long-range plan... getting DD out of his way, getting to Trelawney,
maybe even retrieving a Horschow hidden at Hogwarts, as you
mentioned.
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Jeremiah:

I think we're forgetting that we see the story through Harry. Harry knows
about the prophesy and he was told, be DD that they are the only two who
know the "entire" prophecy.

This, I am assuming, means that everyone else is assuming that the prophecy
was destroyed and will never be heard again. the Death Eaters are under the
assumption that they have "failed" to get the prophecy for LV and the plan
would be concidered a bust.

However, one can assume that Snape informed LV (before his "conversion"
-I'll let that pro/con argument wait for another thread but not here in this
one) about the Seer (Trelawney) who made the prophecy. This would be a very
good reason for DD, in OotP, insisting that she stay on as a resident in the
castle and for DD's insistance that she stay as a professor and share the
teaching duties with Firenz. She cannot leave the protection of Hogwarts and
DD (but now that he's gone this might change her protection).

Yes, going after her would be a fantastic idea but, as we know from PoA, she
doesn't recall these trance-like-states. I believe she is totally unaware of
her "gift" and I think it would be very difficult for her to be tortured to
tell LV or his Death Eaters about it. Since she has no memory I would assume
it cannot be extracted, since eh has not "thoughts" about it I would also
think you cannot look into her head and see anything about it. If she is
tortured she will be killed. Sadly, IMO, that is what would happen. LV's
attempts to find out about the prophecy are futile and that is his part of
his quest for power, which is his hubris.

SSSusan, I see what you mean by dropping the prohecy plot-line in HBP,
however, I think JKR was furthering Trelawney (and, in effect, the truth
about the prophecy) by focusing on 2 encounters between Harry and Trelawney.
(Both involving Sherry and babbling) but her accuracy is pretty good. She
detects Harry with her cards and sees the "Lighting Struck Tower." Even
though she's not very good at being precise, she'd got something going on
and I think JKR was sacrificing the prophecy sub-plot and supplanting it
with Trelawney's ability to "detect" (that's the only way I can describe it
because she's not very precise) the future.

What I mean about furthering the prophecy by furtherin Trelawney's character
is this: DD told Harry that Harry believes in the prophecy too much.
However, Trelawney claims she repeatedly told DD about the readings (with
the Lightning Struck Tower and his impending doom) and he didn't put any
faith in them but he still ended up pon the top of a tower and died. Putting
faith in or lacking faith in a prophecy doesn't seem to change it, IMO. But,
with Harry's prophecy we do not have a clear outcome, just that "one cannot
live while the other survives" and that kind of thing but I do think that
Trelawney's Prophecy should not be ignored to any extent by Harry or the
others. it's decision-time for Harry. Does he find Trelawney to be
trustworthy and does he recognize her abilities? (Or, does she even have any
direct imput to the plot anymore nad we never see her again?)


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