Snape and Dumbledore on the Tower/ A bit of evil Lupin

dumbledore11214 dumbledore11214 at yahoo.com
Thu Feb 22 02:14:15 UTC 2007


No: HPFGUIDX 165298

 
> > Alla wrote:
> > > <snip> I do not remember **any** incidents in canon when 
person was
> > attacked with **fake** AK. I can misremember of course.
> 
> Pippin:
> But the possibility *is* mentioned, by Fake!Moody, who says the 
whole
> class could point their wands at him and say the words and he 
doubted
> he'd get so much as a nosebleed. He says it doesn't matter, that 
he's
> not there to teach them how to do it. Unlike Sectumsempra then, 
this
> is a spell that has to be used in a certain way. Waving your wand 
wildly 
> and saying the words won't cut it.
> 
> And since it doesn't matter to the lesson being taught, nor to the 
plot
> of GoF, one has to ask, why did JKR put that line in at all?
> 
> Why is it important for Harry, or us readers, to know that?

Alla:

He says that one basically needs the intent to complete spell, does 
he not? Isn't it more like foreshadowing of Harry's incomplete 
crucio?


> Pippin:
> Parts of ESE!Lupin are not straightforward. OTOH, it is perfectly
> straightforward canon that Lupin was suspected of being the spy,
> that he tried to kill Pettigrew, that he withheld much more 
information 
> from Dumbledore than he admitted to, and that he gives conflicting
> accounts of himself at several points in the story.
> 
> It is possible to explain these things consonant with an innocent
> Lupin, but it requires just as much guesswork as ESE!Lupin does.
<SNIP>

Alla:

No, sorry again, but I strongly disagree. I do **not** need any 
guesswork to explain these things in light of innocent Lupin, 
because none of those things makes me take a leap and say that it 
implies Evil Lupin.

Sure, he was suspected as a spy, just as Sirius was. Does it show me 
in any way, shape or form that Lupin is a Voldemort's servant?

No, no more than Sirius would be. It just shows me that there was a 
mistrust between Marauders, which I highly suspect was mostly 
Peter's doing, but I can be wrong of course.

He tried to kill Pettigrew? Sure, tried to take revenge on traitor 
who brought them all so much grief? Sirius did as well. That really 
really does not lead me to believe that he is evil.

He withhold information from Dumbledore? Sure he did - perfectly in 
line for me with that flaw that JKR described of Lupin - need to be 
liked.

That does not lead me to believe that Lupin wants to be liked by 
Voldemort. Sorry.

So, what I am trying to say?  I believe to interpet canon the way 
you do and come up with ESE!Lupin requires series of complex 
interpretations.

Which is not to say that JKR will not go for it of course. I mean, 
who can predict what she will do for sure.

But nothing to me is straightforward in ESE!Lupin, nothing at all.

By the way, to me not straightforward does not mean not supported by 
canon, it just means that you pick one of the several  
interpretations and the most complex one.

I think I will stick with what I think as straightforward Lupin for 
now :)







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