Snape and Dumbledore on the Tower/ A bit of evil Lupin

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 165326


> Alla:
> 
> He says that one basically needs the intent to complete spell, does 
> he not? Isn't it more like foreshadowing of Harry's incomplete 
> crucio?

Pippin:
But nothing comes of Harry's failed crucio, so that itself
seems to be just a foreshadowing of something else. 

> Alla:
> 
> No, sorry again, but I strongly disagree. I do **not** need any 
> guesswork to explain these things in light of innocent Lupin, 
> because none of those things makes me take a leap and say that it 
> implies Evil Lupin.
> 
> Sure, he was suspected as a spy, just as Sirius was. Does it show me 
> in any way, shape or form that Lupin is a Voldemort's servant?
> 
> No, no more than Sirius would be. It just shows me that there was a 
> mistrust between Marauders, which I highly suspect was mostly 
> Peter's doing, but I can be wrong of course.
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<snip>
> So, what I am trying to say?  I believe to interpet canon the way 
> you do and come up with ESE!Lupin requires series of complex 
> interpretations.

Pippin:
How can "Lupin was suspected because he was the spy" 
be a more complex interpretation than "Lupin was suspected 
because Pettigrew sowed mistrust among the Marauders."
There is no canon of Pettigrew doing that successfully, in 
fact his attempts to divide Lupin and Sirius in the shack
are pitiful.

 Alla:
> By the way, to me not straightforward does not mean not 
supported by  canon, it just means that you pick one of the several  
> interpretations and the most complex one.
> 
> I think I will stick with what I think as straightforward Lupin for 
> now :)

Pippin:
Straightforward is one thing and superficial is another :) If  a 
"straightforward" theory can only be maintained by arbitrarily 
disregarding canon  then I'd say its claim to be straightforward 
is questionable.

There's no question that JKR hides subtle clues in the text which,
if discovered, make the 'straightfoward' reading untenable.
For example, most readers of CoS won't notice the "I AM LORD
VOLDEMORT" anagram until it's pointed out in the text. But for 
those who do notice it, the straightforward interpretation of
canon will not  be that Riddle means well.

Most readers haven't paid  attention to the fact that the moon
appears in the sky before Lupin escapes from the Shrieking Shack.
But once it's been noticed, the straightforward interpretation 
can't be that Lupin's transformation took place by accident.

Similarly, the missing rope shadow from the priori incantatem 
should prove that Wormtail was not using Voldemort's
wand when Cedric was killed and the blood on Dumbledore's face should
prove that he didn't die on the tower. These clues are absolutely
unambiguous, IMO -- the only way to refute them is to pretend that JKR 
doesn't care about logic or that they're not what she meant to write.

And that is the most complex interpretation of all -- once you've
allowed that, you can allow anything.

Pippin