Predictions, Wishful Thinking & Anything But *That*...! (Re: Satisfaction..)

[Jen Reese]

No: HPFGUIDX 163421

> Jen previous: Peter will help Harry somehow with his silver hand
> but it might not be on purpose. He's going to end up in Azkaban
> where he's belonged all along.

> Sarah:
> Azkaban (which doesn't seem too potent anymore, I can't imagine why
> Lucius is still stuck there), dead, something along those lines.
> Agree with the first sentence.

KJ:
> Peter is going to finish off Greyback. His hand is silver for a
> reason, and JKR says that it is not for Lupin. I don't think that it
> will be an accident or the life debt would be pointless, but it
> might be against his will. Peter will also be killed[...]

SSSusan:
> I believe Peter will help Harry somehow, and I think it would be
> cool if it were with the silver hand. I almost think it *will* have
> to be intentional, though, if it will be meant to be a repayment of
> the life debt...His going to Azkaban? I'm not sure about that part.

Jen:  Death seems too good for this guy, too easy.  He dreaded 
Azkaban more than returning to Voldemort so the more pain the better 
<beg>.  Although Sarah may be right there's not much to Azkaban 
anymore.  That guy gets on my last nerve, doing major damage and some 
of it pretty cleverly done, all the while making it seem like he 
was 'forced' into being evil while his actions belie his words.  
Makes me appreciate Bella for wallowing in her evil ways.

Re: the Life Debt, Peter hasn't made a right choice for the right 
reason yet.  Now maybe he could make a right choice for the wrong 
reason, i.e. self-interest?  Peter choosing to help Harry over 
Voldemort without thought of his own consequence sounds too much like 
a redemption, something JKR isn't laying clues for and something 
Peter hasn't shown himself wanting or being capable of achieving 
(from how I read his character).

> Sarah:
> Hagrid is definitely toast.  I hadn't given any thought to Griefy
> Grawp, but thanks a lot for the image.  :)

> SSSusan: Yeah, I suppose Hagrid's toast. Sigh. And I suppose we'll
> have to be subjected to Grawp. UGH. I so detest Grawp.

Jen: You're welcome!  Just wanted to share the joy. 


> AmanitaMuscaria again - I'm counting on Grawp dying heroically, as
> well as Hagrid.

> KJ: Hagrid and Grawp will be tackling the other giants that
> Voldemort has pressed into service. Hagrid may well die in this
> book because he was so dependent on Dumbledore.

Jen:  I think you guys are saying something similar, that Hagrid and 
Grawp will be working together.  Good point, I hadn't thought about 
what exactly Hagrid will be doing in the next book, just that he's 
next on the chopping block.  

> Eggplant:  Hagrid could die, but there are others that are far more
> likely to; like Percy, Snape, Wormtail, Voldemort, and sorry to 
> say, Harry. 

Jen: Part of my reasoning here is because JKR has followed the 
alchemy symbolism with her deaths so far: Black, White and next is 
Red (Rubeus).  May be coincidence, I'm betting not.  (Credit for that 
probably goes to many people but I read it in a Granger article.)

> Jen:
> 3)  No Weasleys will die during the writing of this book although
> one or two may be harmed.
 
> Sarah:
> I'd disagree here, but the problem is I can't specify who or how
> many.  I will go out on a limb and say that at least Ginny and Bill
> probably make it.  I don't know if it looks good for Ron, though.

> SSSusan: Oooh. I think I actually disagree with this one, my usual
> think-alike pal. I think either Charlie or Percy or Arthur will be
> dead by the end.

> KJ: I think that Percy is not long for this world. He will give up
> his life to protect one of his family members, probably his father.

> Eggplant:  I think Percy will escalate from being a insensitive
> jerk into a full blown traitor who tries to lure Harry to his
> death. I think he will end up being killed by a member of his own
> family.

Jen: I'd say Percy's chances are looking pretty slim right about 
now!  Wonder what the oddsmakers are giving his chances? 
 
> Jen:
> 4)  The 'gleam of triumph' will prove to be something about Harry's 
> blood that will come back to haunt Voldemort in the Locked Room.

> KJ: I think that Harry's blood is just one of those unfortunate
> choices that Voldemort made when he re-produced a body. It is made
> of the hand of a traitor, the bone of the man that repudiated him,
> and the blood of Harry, which can not be a healthy thing for him.
> All of these things will weaken him at the end.

> Eggplant: Perhaps, but whatever that gleam was it is a 2 edged
> sword. A fraction of a second after Dumbledore looked triumphant he
> looked tired and defeated. My guess is he just thought of a way to
> kill Voldemort, but then he realized it would mean Harry's death
> too.

Jen: Your theory sounds better than mine KJ, I may have to borrow 
that prediction.  And Eggplant's thought reminds me of Dumbledore 
saying it will take a wizard with 'uncommon skill and power' to kill 
Voldemort even when his Horcruxes are destroyed.  So whatever caused 
Dumbledore to feel triumphant for a moment was replaced quickly with 
just how far they would still have to go to rid the world of 
Voldemort (whether because Harry would have to die or because how 
difficult Voldemort will be to kill, even a weakened Voldemort).

> Jen: 1) Harry has a Voldemort soul-piece inside of him by some
> strange twist of magical fate that occurred at Godric's Hollow.
> Overlooking this possibility will prove to be Dumbledore's greatest
> emotional mistake to date.

> zanooda: I still think that DD new, but didn't dare to tell Harry,
> just as he couldn't bring himself to tell about the prophecy. Maybe
> DD hoped to find a way to remove the soul bit first. It is not easy
> to tell a 15-year old boy that he has to kill or be killed. It is 
> much more difficult to tell him that he must die in order to 
> succeed.

Jen:  Here's my reasoning on why Dumbledore didn't know if Harry has 
a soul piece:  Dumbledore was coming clean in OOTP about his mistakes 
and letting Harry know he couldn't continue because he does care 
about all the 'nameless, faceless' people who will die if he isn't 
straight with Harry from that point forward.  

And then JKR said in an interview, "...but as people who have 
finished Order of the Phoenix will know, Dumbledore has had to step 
back a little bit from Harry in an effort to teach him some of life's 
harder lessons." ( 2003, Royal Albert Hall)

It would seem contradictory to me if Dumbledore did know Harry might 
have a soul piece and wouldn't tell him, rather than making an almost 
unconcious emotional mistake because he couldn't handle the truth.  
JKR set this up when she said, "But I would say that I think it has 
been demonstrated, particularly in books five and six that immense 
brainpower does not protect you from emotional mistakes and I think 
Dumbledore really exemplifies that."  I read that comment to mean DD 
relies on his brainpower to reason everything out at the expense of 
recognizing the role his emotions play in his decisions.  That's why 
it took him 5 years to figure out his emotions were causing him to 
keep the Prophecy from Harry.  

> Jen:
> 5)  Lord Voldemort's demise will be "Voldemort in the Locked Room
> with Love" (hehe, that's from the Clue game if anyone plays).

Geoff:
> Now that really worried me.

> In Cluedo, when you make a statement such as "It was Professor
> Plum in the Library with the spanner", you are making a suggestion
> that the named person committed the murder. If your accusation
> above is right, then it looks like curtains for Harry.

> I sincerely, oh so sincerely, hope, dear Jen, that you REALLY mean
> "it was Harry in the Locked Room with the Power of Love."

Jen: Oops! You are exactly right, Geoff, that's exactly what I 
meant.  And I love that your game is called Cluedo and one of your 
weapons is a spanner--would that be the same as the wrench in 
American version?  (OT moment here: weapons in American version are 
rope, lead pipe, revolver, wrench, candlestick, and knife.)

> Sarah: I know Dumbledore said that it was really just love and all,
> but I'm hoping beyond hope it can be something just slightly more 
> interesting and less of a no-brainer. "Sacrifice/courage in the 
> face of death" would be a good one, as would "Soul."  As far as I 
> can see, those are really the things Voldemort doesn't have and
> Harry possesses in such great quantities, not love.

Jen:  I was using love as a shorthand term but don't think that's 
exactly what JKR is going for.  Harry characterized his power as "I 
can love" which is different from being filled with love.  And I put 
great weight on Dumbledore's statement that "you are **protected** by 
your ability to love" which is far different from saying Harry's love 
will kill Voldemort.  The fact that Harry has remained a human 
capable of loving in the face of great pain is what makes him 
completely different from Voldemort and that's what will save *Harry* 
in the end, not kill Voldemort.  That's why I think Voldemort will 
have to die in the locked room, no one is actually capable of killing 
him, but Harry is uniquely qualified to figure out the weakness that 
will destroy Voldemort in the end.

(Which doesn't in any way answer what is in the room so basically I'm 
with you on thinking it's something a little different than love.)

> Sarah:
> Arguments against this are basically semantical to me at this point.
> There are books and books of canon that Harry's forehead is related
> to Voldemort.  This induces powers, dreams, visions, emotions, 
> tactile feelings.  Dumbledore in book two says that Voldemort 
> put "a bit of himself" in there.  If it's not a soul slice, it's as
> good as one.  And I think it has to come out.

Jen: When you say the soul slice has to come out, is that the same 
thing as breaking the eggs to make an omelette?  I don't like it, no, 
not at all. ;-)  She already picked off my other two favorite 
characters, grumble grumble. 

> Sarah:
> We are ITA here, and I'll go one step further.  My favorite idea is
> that the "connection" is, Snape stole Lily's potions chops by
> writing down what she did in class in his book.  This mitigates 
> Harry's "cheating" a little, because the potions stuff is Lily's
> anyway.  And it lets the connection be not reciprocal.  Because a
> romance is TEW EWW, so to speak.

Jen: Oh, more reason for Harry to hate Snape!  I've wondered why he 
doesn't teach his methods in class?  As icky as it is, I'm going with 
the symbolic reason, Snape buried that book in the dungeon just like 
he buried his feelings of loss when Lily died.  

Jen, wanting to write a separate post about Voldemort tempting Harry 
because of all the good thoughts on that issue but ran out of time 
tonight.